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19 hours ago, LoooSeR said:

   Question if it is actually capable of intercepting top attack threats in configurations shown to public is still open. Max detection range is 50 meters, but how much radars can see "up" is question that i don't know answer for. Vertically aimed launchers suggest that at least ATGM that "overfly" target (like Bill 2 or TOW-2B) are covered by modernised system. Original Arena (at least in 1995 config) was not capable of intercepting overfly ATGMs.   

Firstly, great post. Secondly, regarding overfly ATGMs - how high they can go relative to the tank? IIRC Those missiles carry EFP charges rather than HEAT charges and if I remeber correctly EFPs can be usually set-off at greater ranges than HEAT warheads. So if TOW-2B for example flies 1 meter higher it's probably inside the killng zone of the arena-m, But is it true for an height of 4 meters as well? That the interesting question.

Another thing is the senors, I gather both arena version use an RF senosr suite (aka radar), we know that the two prominent western APS systems which are trophy and iron fist are based on AESA radars (lately even intergrated with EO sensors). Do we know how modern Arena-M's sensor suite is? I guess there's a reason for the other systems to go as modern as they can get.

On 7/5/2021 at 9:20 AM, DIADES said:

Are they?  They have gone to contract but it ain't in service yet so best case, the jury is still out.

Are you familiar with Lincoln's famous phrase which ends with "but you cannot fool all the people all the time"? Cause I don't think elbit are doing that. 8 or so different platforms for iron fist says  otherwise

Pretty sure this belongs here (is man portable hardware and doesn't explode)- ESG was commissioned by the German Armed Forces (BAAINBw) as general contractor for the production and delivery of a total of 69 mobile radar systems for the BARU project (ground-based reconnaissance and air space surveillance system.

This radar system was designed by IAI-ELTA (sub contractor to ESG).

32 minutes ago, Beer said:

 

Yet it's very debatable for what country like Poland could use it. It's very effective for figting a guerilla or a weak military with terrible AD and no airforce but I fail to find an enemy like that for Poland. Countries with modern AD, EW means and airforce are not really vulnerable to slow drones like TB2. People tend to see the success of Azeris through the sexy videos from TB2 but it was loitering munitions and EW which cleared them way. The rest is quality marketing from Turkish side. 

 

As for the little green men. In Europe those have been operating stricly in close proximity of Russian borders and Russians didn't really hesitate to decimate the Ukrainean airforce even by cross-border fire. I bet that shooting down combat jet planes is much harder than TB2. 

Well yeah like you said we have yet to see a true large scale pear 2 pear fight involving UAV operations against modern EW, air defence and of course a capable airforce. In that case I doubt we'll see the same kind of incidents we saw in NK, syria or north africa, and MALE sized drones or above (essentially airstrip based) would probably be kept at a standoff from threats if they would even survive. And yet I think there's still merit to have that capability in your toolbox, intelligence gathering wise, and poland might still need that armed capability for low-intensity operations especially as a NATO member 

11 hours ago, mr.T said:

All the east european Rusophobes seem to think TB2 is some sort of magical anti russian kyptonite that could actually fight Russian army ! Based on experience against rag tag 3rd world militias with limited or no AD

I'd say it's simply an attractive platform, a combat proven armed drone that is being pushed by fellow NATO ally turkey without exporting issues like the american and israeli drones (the latter never exported an armed drone which is not a LM iirc) and isn't as expensive. The other options are chinese, or russian... 

Do we know if it's an otc turret or something new? If it's a rafael turret, I'm only familiar with the samson 30mm. 

In that case, it might also open the possibility for quicker APS integration as that turret can be  integrated with trophy. 

Old video, trailer's wheels exploded or caught fire. Unrelated to recent events...

I wager the meaning of hybrid module is that it comes with extra passive\reactive armour kit in addition to the APS. ERA or composites?

So KF41 got 6 dismounts and Redback 8? Won't That make quite a difference TOE wise? 

LMAO that dude sure likes my comments, that's the second time that happens (the first was my comment here about the merkava model 4 400 or something)

1 hour ago, TokyoMorose said:

 

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Interestingly also shows a slow-mo full reload of an interceptor charge.

Leopard 2A7A1 with Trophy APS. Credits to Krauss-Maffei Wegmann for the image:

Definitely the best looking trophy integration by now.

Turbojet powered Spice 250 ER  showcased in Aero India 2021.

"A conservatively stated range of at least 150km" via janes

Also lots of mumbo jumbo about AI.

14 hours ago, Scolopax said:

If you manage to throw the ball/rock/hand grenade into one of the buckets, while receiving fire from the .50 cal, do you win a prize?

The .50 cal is the price.

On 1/18/2021 at 3:18 PM, Beer said:

Indian Shilka with new radar and optics.

Also an IAI-Elta radar, 2026bf:

https://www.iai.co.il/p/elm-2026bf

From the Hanwha Redback vid, notice the elevation angle of the Iron Fist interceptor. First time seeing it that high:

The latest iteration of Merkava is called Mark 4 Model 400, which has a newer C² system and enchaned TROPHY (you can tell by the added optical sensor). kinda interesting because although MK 4 had seen many modifications and improvements throughout the years this is IMO the first time that the IDF officially names a new Mark 4 version

https://www.idf.il/אתרים/חטיבה-188/2020/טנק-סימן-4-חטיבה-188/

On 12/4/2020 at 12:53 PM, Beer said:

I think that they need another modern radars between the RAT-31DL which is mainly for the general air situation and the battery target acquisition radar. It's same here in CZ but we already ordered Elta EL/M-2084 for that. 

Well, you were right, Hungary will procure ELM-2084 radars, similarly to CZ:

https://hungarytoday.hu/govt-army-development-defence-roces-radar-israeli-tech/

sorry about the source, these news had yet to be published at major defense sites, but are present at hungarian and israeli news sites

He is using the helmet to control the turret\weapon station. The all point of this system is to integrate the traditional FCS sensors into a HMD. I don't understand why this frustrates you guys so much.