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In a world gone mad, where a single state holds an entire country captive because of a demographic time bomb of 38 million passive aggressive jerks who don't know how to drive or vaccinate their children, they said all hope was lost. Until a single continental transform fault forming a tectonic boundary between the Pacific Plate and North American Plate with a right-lateral strike-slip motion said "No more".
 
San Andreas. The romantic comedy we've been waiting decades to see. And Superman isn't coming to save your sorry asses this time either.   Californians. You've artificially driven up property and rental prices in Portland and you've transformed the scenic vistas of Colorado into a gaudy strip mall and now you want to steal water from Washington state. But guess what? Mother nature has something else in store for you. 
 
Fuck you Californians! Do you like the taste of water? I've got some water for you! Glub-glub! Glub-glub!

The guy is opposed to the "prison industrial complex" and opposed the North Dakota Pipeline while having a major hangup with male circumcision. These aren't exactly mainstream beliefs among right wing political figures. Coupled by the fact that he was a "Nihilist" who has a major hangup with religion and it's clear the guy is just some random nutter of the sort you can expect to find in Portland.
 
Accordingly, the local news media has dialed back on the news coverage of this case and they have also toned down the narrative that this guy was a right wing Trump supporter (particularly when his social media feed contradicts this narrative).
 
What the story does show is that the MAX train in Portland is a fucking weird and dangerous place to be with the amount of bums, drug dealers and crazies riding it.
 
As an example. 
 
Here is a story of a homeless bum who stole the wedding ring off the finger of the dead husband stabbed by the Nihilist Berniebro and made off with the victim's backpack.
 
http://koin.com/2017/06/01/man-wanted-for-stealing-bag-ring-from-max-victim/
 
And a couple days later, another random crazy man stabbed a Max passenger, this time with a butter knife.
 
http://www.kgw.com/news/crime/man-cuts-passenger-with-butter-knife-on-max-train-police-say/446613160
 
The real news story isn't Stabby McNihilist. The real news story is that the mayor of Portland and the Portland city council has allowed these sort of mentally ill criminals to roam free in the streets of the Rose City. That's despite the fact that Portland Police know who half of these nutters are and are prevented from doing anything to incarcerate them until they actually stab and murder someone.
 
 

This is the problem the Left has created for themselves: These rallies are full of everyone from disgruntled Bernie supporters to Young Republicans to trolls, and including a smattering of real wannabe Nazi scumbags.
 
You should be isolate the scumbags by asking people "do you really want to be associated with these people?", but since the Left has attacked literally anyone with any sort of minor disagreement - including such noted extreme right wingers as Bill Maher - there's no incentive anymore. Sure, line up with the neo-Nazis; you'll get called one anyway and at least this way you get to bust some heads.

I have very strong feelings on Oklahoma, and I'm glad fuckin Timmy and Terry both got it in the neck regardless of those feelings!
 
I'm just wishing for equal spanks for equal levels of depraved fuckwittery!
 
Which, you can't even TRY to argue has been the case so far if you have a conscience!
 
I'm old enough to have a really good memory of the militia movement, AND the way everyone sane in the firearms community mercilessly mocked those fat faggots and put them in fuckin prison where they belonged!
 
The ATF and FBI like to take credit for breaking the militias, but the truth is the rest of the community did what it took to cash those fools out and flush them...
 
We do not see the left self policing in any way through the same time period, quite the opposite really, however if this incident changes that trend... It'll almost be worth it in my eyes!
 
Please don't mistake me for one of the idiots who wants violence, I've experienced enough violence in my life to be thoroughly disabused of the romanticism some people hold for it.

I have very strong feelings on Oklahoma, and I'm glad fuckin Timmy and Terry both got it in the neck regardless of those feelings!
 
I'm just wishing for equal spanks for equal levels of depraved fuckwittery!
 
Which, you can't even TRY to argue has been the case so far if you have a conscience!
 
I'm old enough to have a really good memory of the militia movement, AND the way everyone sane in the firearms community mercilessly mocked those fat faggots and put them in fuckin prison where they belonged!
 
The ATF and FBI like to take credit for breaking the militias, but the truth is the rest of the community did what it took to cash those fools out and flush them...
 
We do not see the left self policing in any way through the same time period, quite the opposite really, however if this incident changes that trend... It'll almost be worth it in my eyes!
 
Please don't mistake me for one of the idiots who wants violence, I've experienced enough violence in my life to be thoroughly disabused of the romanticism some people hold for it.

I'll be sure to remind the relatives of the 168 people killed in Oklahoma that right wing domestic terrorism was never a thing.  

I know I was very surprised at just how little starch it took out of my assailants when I realized I had actually planted rounds into at least one of their torso's...
 
I remember thinking as I locked back empty off the magazine originally in the pistol that it was like those bad dreams where you hit the other guy and it just has no effect at all.
 
I had 15 +1 in the chamber and two spare loaded 15 round magazines at the start of the fight and I pumped every single round I had Into them and their car. I expended every single round I had, and it was just barely enough! 
 
The way it all went down heavily reinforced my belief in carrying a gun and ammunition combination that allows for a high total round count even at the expense of individual round effectiveness. I believe this is justified though since pistol rounds just are not effective at stopping a situation on a one for one basis, and you're pretty much guaranteed to need to shoot someone several times before they will stop being a threat.
 
Your mileage may vary in all of this, it's just what I believe based on my singular experience with gun fights.

The internet also reliably tells me that I'm a horrible person and going to be killed if I ever have to use my gun defensively because I sometimes load carry guns with 115 grain fmj...
 
Funny though because I have had a defensive shooting incident and choosing to carry fmj loaded mags is likely why I'm the sole person who walked away that night because the PEOPLE who chose to go OK fuckin corral on me also chose not to leave the safety of their vehicle before doing so!
 
Luckily for me, I was too broke to buy good defensive ammunition at the time... For that matter, my gun was also not anyone's first choice combat pistol that night either since it was a $189 surplus Astra A100 from who knows where!
 
I actually credit my survival to good situational awareness, since it's the only thing I did "right" in the entire situation. This awareness made me realize that the car full of cholos was bird dogging me and set me immediately kicking gears on my street bike so I could at least pick a nice place to die...
 
Banged blind around a corner in a part of town I didn't know, saw the nicely floodlit bank parking lot locked up my front and rear brakes so I could bomb over the curb and got myself nice and brightly lit from behind by the floods with the bike crosswise to where they were pulling into the parking lot and got my kickstand down slammed my helmet and backpack off and about the time I got my gun clear and almost up I was getting shot at.
 
I lived
 
They didn't
 
Completely unashamed to say that I was bawling like a little girl when I called 911 as I was trying to stuff loose rounds from another box of fmj I had in the backpack into magazines screaming for them to send someone to come help me.
 
That's what I get for working shifts overnight remodeling grocery stores through a temp service in a shitty part of the Phoenix metro area and riding a motorcycle home at 3 am...
 
Either way though, basically the only stuff I did right was realizing that I had a problem early, reacting promptly to it, and having a gun with which I could defend myself with...
 
Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that my open carrying in a cheap surplus military style thigh holster is what marked me as a target worth hitting in the first place.

This is a HuffPo writer, and yes, it is in response to the attack:
 
 
 
Trump is a merciless python.  He will point to this sort of rhetoric and scream that the fake news media has blood on their hands.  He will squeeze, and they will either have to relent, and reduce their winking support for political violence, or they will have to double down and look like buffoons and thugs.  Every time something happens, Trump ratchets a bit and his opponents lose room to maneuver.
 
And you know what?  Fuck 'em all to death.  "Opposition" to Trump is clearly a theatrical exercise.  There will be no impeachment, there will only be obnoxious, pointless obstructionism.
 
The Democrats need people who are willing to negotiate with Trump on some things, stand firm on some others, and tell the radicalized portion of their base to get a real job and STFU.  Trump is the embodiment of too many strands of long-standing resent to be defeated head-on.
 
Meanwhile, Trump is making some noise about the latest attempt to clean out the VA:
 
 
This bill passed with broad, bipartisan support.  It is intended to make it easier to fire or demote underperforming VA employees, and includes some protection for whistleblowers.
 
It's a crying shame that @Hognose can't tell us whether the bill has any substance to it.  Improving the mess that is the VA will not be easy.

For comparison: by taking the same 30kW beam and pulsing it (1ms pulse followed by 4ms rest, 100 pulses, spot size of 5mm) you can drill a neat hole about 2cm deep into a solid block of aluminium. This would work quite nicely to punch a hole in a drone or similar, but would also need a fairly big mirror and advanced optics to pull off.
 
The 200kW beam would drill through 12cm of solid aluminium, while the 1MW beam would do the same but with a 1cm spot size. Graphite is still effective as armour, but will only completely stop the 30kW beam (~1mm hole depth). The 200kW beam will still manage about 7mm of drilling, while the 1MW beam can do about 1cm with a 1cm spot size, and 4cm with a 5mm spot size.

I got to ride in a Bronco once when I was like 12.
 
The local air museum had just got one which was still flight rated at the time they got it and a former Ov-10 pilot on the museum staff took me up in it one afternoon for a half hour or so. I wasn't a large child so they stuffed my helmet with t shirts out of the gift shop so that it kind of almost fit because the pilot knew that buckling me in wasn't going to keep me particularly safe LOL.

The Broncos defense was pretty good. That situational pass rush seemed to get to Cam just at the right time. Honestly, I don't think Newton had his head in the game and one wonders how much partying the Panthers did this week. 
 
Conversely, this particular Broncos team has been to the big game before two years ago. And while they fell on their face against my Seahawks, these guys seemed hungry to redeem that performance. The Peyton Manning send-off storyline helped give some incentive to that. 
 
I like the game plan of the Broncos in that they didn't expect their offense to do too much. Their D gave the ball to the offense in good situations with the turnovers and Manning moved the ball just enough to get some field goals and the right number of TDs. 
 
And even though I'm not a big Coldplay fan, the halftime show was alright. It was basically just an homage to previous halftime shows and Coldplay, Bruno Mars and Bouncy didn't detract from that. Lady Gaga's National Anthem performance was pretty mediocre. 
 

 
Again, that Harry Nielson song is what makes it for that ad. Now, I'm not sure why Heinz feels the need to advertise because, it's fucking Ketchup. Who DOESN'T buy Heinz ketchup? Is there such a thing? Yeah, sure, there's Hunt's ketchup but it sucks. And there's the generic stuff for five cents less which is really just Heinz but with an off-brand name. Is there some other brand of ketchup which is cutting into the Heinz profit margin? The only thing that makes less sense is the Avocados from Mexico adverts. I mean, who goes to the store specifically looking for Mexican-grown avocados? And it's not like the store offers two different brands. They're avocados. You grab them and hopefully they're  not too hard or too mushy. If that's not good enough for you , go to the Whole Foods or your local farmer's market and they might have some California grown ones.

So, I was browsing around Apex Gun Parts on friday, and I saw that they had unicorn ink bladders (Steyr MG3/MG74 barrels) for sale. Military surplus in used but "good" condition for $250 per barrel. The last time I saw these things around, people where asking $400 for them. Since this is the last thing that I need for the full caliber conversion for the M53/MG3 chimera that I am working on, I ordered up two of them. I checked the website again tonight, and they are sold out. So, I'm curious as to whether or not they simply didn't have that many to start with, or if people just pounce on those things like I did.

The internet also reliably tells me that I'm a horrible person and going to be killed if I ever have to use my gun defensively because I sometimes load carry guns with 115 grain fmj...
 
Funny though because I have had a defensive shooting incident and choosing to carry fmj loaded mags is likely why I'm the sole person who walked away that night because the PEOPLE who chose to go OK fuckin corral on me also chose not to leave the safety of their vehicle before doing so!
 
Luckily for me, I was too broke to buy good defensive ammunition at the time... For that matter, my gun was also not anyone's first choice combat pistol that night either since it was a $189 surplus Astra A100 from who knows where!
 
I actually credit my survival to good situational awareness, since it's the only thing I did "right" in the entire situation. This awareness made me realize that the car full of cholos was bird dogging me and set me immediately kicking gears on my street bike so I could at least pick a nice place to die...
 
Banged blind around a corner in a part of town I didn't know, saw the nicely floodlit bank parking lot locked up my front and rear brakes so I could bomb over the curb and got myself nice and brightly lit from behind by the floods with the bike crosswise to where they were pulling into the parking lot and got my kickstand down slammed my helmet and backpack off and about the time I got my gun clear and almost up I was getting shot at.
 
I lived
 
They didn't
 
Completely unashamed to say that I was bawling like a little girl when I called 911 as I was trying to stuff loose rounds from another box of fmj I had in the backpack into magazines screaming for them to send someone to come help me.
 
That's what I get for working shifts overnight remodeling grocery stores through a temp service in a shitty part of the Phoenix metro area and riding a motorcycle home at 3 am...
 
Either way though, basically the only stuff I did right was realizing that I had a problem early, reacting promptly to it, and having a gun with which I could defend myself with...
 
Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that my open carrying in a cheap surplus military style thigh holster is what marked me as a target worth hitting in the first place.

The spall cone created by shaped charges can be larger than 90°, in such a case there is quite some danger of the crew being injured. Fragments of the projectile/shaped charge jet might also damage the internals of the tank, rendering it useless. I wouldn't assume that hitting this place or the gunner's sight won't cause harm to the crew.
 
 
Based on photographs, the side armor of the M1 Abrams is not thicker than the side armor of the Leopard 2 or the Challenger 2. The M1 Abrams just has a very large commander's cupola, which creates the illusion of the hatches being located closer. The Abrams turret has about 10% more frontal surface and has about 40% more side armor volume (at the ammo racks), so I'd expect it to have less frontal armor at the same weight.
 

The problem of the mantlet-less design of Challenger 1 and Chieftain, is that it had a negative impact on too many other aspects. For example replacing the gun barrel took about 24 hours, while the same task can be done within half an hour with proper equipment on the Abrams and Leopard 2 tank.
 
The lack of a proper gun mantlet also meant lower protection; while the size of the weakspot is smaller, the armor still gets thinner at the gun mount.

Walter,
 
I cannot recommend Bruce Canfield's book on the Johnson Automatics strongly enough!
 
Frankly, it's every bit as good as books we all know and love by Collector Grade.(which is saying a lot because between black Rifle Death From Above and the SPIW book collector grade is king Kong of the gun jungle)
 
And the description below about magazine capacity is true, and there's a very familiar back story behind that weird ass mag catch with a whole bunch of ordnance assholes shoveling sand into Melvin Johnson's vajayjay!
 
(Imagine fucking that lol....) Tbf though, Melvin was a prick! And, had he been half the litigator that he was a gun designer, we almost certainly wouldn't be using the AR15 today since he tried to shut armalite down in court later on!
 
Basically, the original guns Melvin trialed for someone at ordnance actually took BAR mags and that initial trial went BAD!!
 
Melvin, and I believe him because Jesus Christ him gene and how many other guys all had it happen to them too!! He swore that the USMC all but blatantly and openly dented up feed lips smashed dents in sides and every other trick to make sure that the gun failed!
 
So, after some refinements and realizations that ordnance will fuck you if you let them... He came up with a feed lip free, hard to dent to malfunction single stack magazine that even threw the USMC a big fok ewe by allowing 1 type of already issued 5 round clip top up both rifle and machine gun
 
ALL WHILE DESIGNING A FEED SYSTEM EVEN ORDNANCE COULDN'T SABOTAGE!!!
 
honestly sparky and the amphigavin / marine corps fucktards spat ain't got shit on Melvin and the colossally single minded way in which Melvin built an entire suite of infantry weapons whose every feature can be traced back to someone who he was spiting!

So, just some random thing I was going to post about...well, like a year ago but slacked off on, PLA Police and Anti Riot revolvers (Donward suddenly got an erection and he doesn't know why.)
 

 

 
Now, these have been used for a while, and I was going to post about them long ago, but today I finally got motivated when a private company named Hawk industries (who has made shotguns before) actually made....this thing.
 

 
 
This is an "SMG/Carbine" chambered in it with 10 or 30 round magazines. Now you may be thinking "what? did the 10mm niche resurrection catch on in China now?" The answer is no, the cartridge is actually a proprietary 10x50mmR cartridge that's actually classified as a shotgun shell, The reason for this isn't to make some "SUPER SELF DEFENSE GUN" like the Judge and dipshits who actually buy the Judge try to turn it into, the primary purpose is that these rounds are specifically designed for riot control and non lethal takedown of suspects, and while there ARE lethal rounds made for it, the main 2 are bean bag rounds and Tear gas/Max strength Pepper spray mix rounds, these function better than 12 gauge non lethal rounds in many as they were purpose bult for the task and the guns around them, plus, 10mm tends to fit better in a revolver than 18.5mm shockingly. they don't have the same payload, but the speed of the beanbags and the payload of the Tear Gas/Pepper Spray rounds is still deemed sufficient to stop rioters and fleeing suspects while being much easier to control and, in the case of a carbine style weapon, can carry much more rounds of it before having to reload.
 
I don't know, whether or not it's a good idea is up to you, but it seems like a decent alternative to 12 gauge shotguns for riot control purposes in alot of situations.
 

 
 
 
 

Pete wrote a great article on the history of Allen Engineering and Ops, Inc: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/07/11/allen-engineering/
 
AE website: http://aesuppressors.com/
 
Ops, Inc website (now defunct): http://www.opsinc.us/index.html
 
If the military goes full suppressor, I'm thinking reflex designs will make a comeback. These days the AE/OI suppressors are considered dated (though I can't really think why, besides the AE/OI suppressors being fairly heavy), but if you can get a compact suppressor with good sound reduction, that sounds like a win to me.

While I'm on a suppressor kick and before I pass out, you also have these awesome things: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/01/11/delta-p-design-brevis/

With China it's not any ONE system that is the issue in my personal opinion. The issue is instead that they have those really fast catamarans, a metric shit ton of aircraft which can carry antiship missiles, anti-ship ballistic missiles, diesel subs, nuclear subs, and I'm sure a bunch more things that I've missed!
 
When you look at it from that angle, and from the angle of our surface combatants of all classes having pretty sparse defensive armament as compared to their Russian counterparts, I believe that the Chinese could definitely sink one of our carriers operating inside the first island chain.
 
Even when you look at the very serious muscle that American super carriers travel with, like a famous actor's entourage, it's still readily apparent that the Chinese could pretty easily flat out run an entire carrier group out of defensive missiles and then sink an entire carrier group except for the sub(s).
 
The question then becomes exactly how willing they are to have a nuclear disaster x kilometers from their coastline and et cetera.
 
But they can definitely do it.
 
In a way, I look at the Nuclear reactors which power super carriers as their penultimate defensive system which allows them to operate with impunity well within range of hostile coastal defense missile systems.
 
Sort of one of those situations where sure you COULD sink us... But you won't because your country depends far too heavily on protein sources etc that come from the waters we're steaming in!

I'm thinking of a US carrier group operating in a hostile Persian Gulf. Iran has a plethora of anti-ship missiles, from the lowly Silkworm to cruise missiles to an anti-ship ballistic missile. Iran's IRGC Navy and the regular Iranian Navy also can deploy swarms of fast attack and torpedo boats that could attack a US carrier group. I'd be worried that a carrier's defenses couldn't keep track with all of the potential threats. Would be a waste of a could $ billion if a carrier gets sunk by some dinghies.
 
I think a similar scenario could play out around the Korean peninsula if things go sour and a carrier isn't too far from the coast. 
 
Besides from operating in a littoral zone, I don't think carriers are that vulnerable. I think the threat from that Chinese anti-ship ballistic missile, the DF-21D, is a little over hyped and that Russian and Chinese submarines might not be quite good enough to sneak up on a carrier group. Could be wrong here though, and if they are highly vulnerable to these threats then the days of carriers as a weapon of interstate war may be numbered. 
 
Most of the wars that seem to be fought though are against non-state actors in regions where its hard to get a good airfield, so carriers will be useful to give air support against guerrillas/insurgents for some time to come and those groups won't have the capabilities to threaten a carrier. Toxn's point about small carriers being useful can be applied here as well. 

I wonder how long it will take before electronics are good enough that you can just have a general purpose guided missile.  Surface to air, surface to surface, anti-ship, anti-radiation, just tell it what it's supposed to fly into, and it figures out how to do it.

Argghhh what sucks really really bad is that M73 M219 & M85 machine gun development saga actually justified the killing of US Army Ordnance pretty thoroughly since the abortions that those 3 guns turned out to be was entirely the result of the original designer of the root gun refusing a job offer at one of the Arsenal's after selling the working and thoroughly debugged design to Army ordnance, he took an offer to work at colt instead,  and in a fit of irrational stupidity said arsenal hired TRW to "evaluate" (read evaluate as fix the fucker until it's irretrievably broken) the design they just purchased. The guy that was in charge of the redesign supposedly needed to fix all the "flaws" TRW "found" was pretty much known as a consummate douche canoe already and never once owned up to taking a production ready gun and turning it into irredeemable shit either!
 
The designer of the gun was Russell S. Robinson, and in the decade or so British ordnance or whatever messed with it but never managed to buy the very good gun that stayed a very good gun over something like a decade of playing with the gun ... You'd think they would have noticed all these serious flaws and safety issues TRW "found"!
 
 Robinson was understandably irritated by this turn of events, but GE was flat fucking pissed off since they wound up running the arsenal and having the now thoroughly fucked formerly working gun dropped in their laps after Army Ordnance got killed for one too many such incidents where bureaucrats who acted more like bitchy teenage girls actively sabotaged a design because their feelings were more important than defending the free world from dirty commies.
 
And the tool bag project manager, you guessed it! 
 
He told anyone and everyone who would listen that the gun worked great after his team fixed the fatally flawed design and GE chose not to keep him on when they wound up in charge of the arsenal, therefore GE must have changed something!
 
Yes folks, he is the original SHIT LORD in whose image all other lesser shit lords since him have failed to measure up to his standards of consummate and uncompromising cradle to the grave shit lording!
 
Dude has to be like 90 now, but I swear to God.... He's the one old man I'd beat like a red headed step child if I ever met him face to face!
 
Really really hate that guy...
 
For those wondering, I'm pretty sure that the gun in question was the Robinson model 33 but I can't find the damn PDF of both fighting firearms articles for some reason.
 
P.S: Australia, England, and JSSAP you guys suck too for, you know, not adopting any of the guns he developed for you guys...
 
Especially England and Australia
 
Here's why:
 
Australia aka the original sin...
So the Australian government put out this completely insane set of requirements for a new machine gun. It was a very long list but here's the really fun one's (from memory here and I'm not certain if the fire rate piece got tacked on later to their already "totally reasonable and easy to meet" list of initial requirements)
1. Must be in .50 caliber BMG
2. Must fit in aircraft wing and other gun stations which currently have .303 Browning anm2 guns installed.
3. Must not exceed the peak trunnion force generated by the .303 anm2 guns installed.
4. Must match the fire rate of .50 BMG aircraft machine guns (were the .50 BMG versions anm2 also or anm3?)
 
Completely sane and reasonable list... Which is why Robinson's design was the only one submitted & or the only one that even came close to meeting the requirements. And yes, over a remarkably short development period he met all 4 of the requirements above. (anyone who tells you his design was rejected because of low fire rate just assumed that GD was at least as competent & or with the 50 years of technological advancements couldn't possibly fail so miserably to even reach the bar Robinson set so long ago with XM307/XM312... They underestimated GD grievously) He actually achieved comparable fire rates to the browning aircraft specific .50's and apparently wound up with pretty comparable receiver life which statistically speaking was perfectly acceptable because the planes tended to be destroyed before the guns wore out.
 
Australia and if I recall right did the only logical thing when someone managed to actually meet the requirements... They didn't put the gun in production.
 
Onto England now!
 
We cannot let ourselves be outdone by a prison continent:
 
Robinson is now in England, the war is still ongoing. Robinson develops about the simplest possible ring mount that you can for a simplified ring mount competition (I believe this is pre D day, and people realize that a majority of, if not every truck they send over to supply the march towards Berlin needs a ring mount and some sort of machine gun.) Robinson designs a universal ring mount that will fit any machine gun a trucker can "liberate". Being an overachiever he designs a full auto only .50 BMG gun that feeds from top fed 20 round detachable box magazines.
 
Seeing their requirements met and exceeded even, England does the only sensible thing and doesn't buy the gun or the ring mount.
 
Then there's the model 11 machine pistol which Robinson figures out how to make a single hand friendly machine pistol which any idiot can kill the shit out of you with where even the magazine auto ejects once empty, and the Stock is essentially a piece of steel tube that screws into the bottom rear of the pistol grip. Seeing that someone somehow actually succeeded, whichever Commonwealth nation decides that the requirements were too easy and decides that it should function and have an accuracy in semiautomatic like a hi power... Robinson was from all evidence on his way to figuring it out, but something happened and no one produced this either. (It was the only sensible thing to do)
 
JSSAP epilogue: the model 11 nee 14 is now the model 16 idk wtf happened here but I'd sure love to find out. If anybody has anything about this of any sort please let me know.
 
The moral to this story: If you want to design machine guns that are really truly good, especially if they're lightweight...
 
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