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I show You a magic trick: 1) https://www.google.pl/ 2) tags: Leopard 2 armour EMES 15 3) WOOOHA: https://www.google.pl/search?q=Leopard+2+armour+EMES+15&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiLw6a9u73WAhUmSJoKHWgoCL0Q_AUICigB&biw=1366&bih=635 all what You ask! Magic!

Yyyy BS? Armour block behind EMES-15 optic is 660mm thick. It's more then T-64B, T-72M1, T-80B turret armour (for 30.degree from longitiudal axis) - so it's hard do name it as "weak spot". Place under EMES-15 optic is the same thic as right side - but whit just "space" for EMES-15. And i mesured it by myself. So rally - amrour protection for left snd right turret side is the same. Gun mantled mask is far far understimated - it 420mm thick + "weige" after it. An only mask weight 630kg(!) (without gun, coaxial MG, itp -just only shield): And when we compare this gun mantled mask dimensions and weight (ca 630kg) and known special armour features in compare to simple RHA weight then gun mantled mask have protection between 230-270mm RHA vs KE and circa up to 460-540 vs CE... + steel plate after it of course

My offcial statsment is this: "Całość powyższych szacunków można zawrzeć w wartościach odporności między 450 a 500 mm stali przeciw amunicji kinetycznej oraz prawdopodobnie aż do około 850 mm stali przeciw amunicji kumulacyjnej dla wersji Leoparda 2 od 2A0 do „wczesnego” 2A4" translate: All possible estimatous based on sevral facts can be put in to armour values between 450 and 500mm RHA vs APFSDS and propably up to 850mm RHA vs HEAT - for Leopard 2 version between 2A0 and erly 2A4.

Germans few yers ago had shown poles (and not only) abilities AMAP-ADS to stop DM63 from <200m distance. The target was empty Leopard-2A4 hull and turret (only whit armour + ADS). There was sevral shoots from 120mm DM-63. No perforation, the deepest mark from rebound long-rod have circa 50-80mm deep (mesured by hand for one polish officer there so inacurrate). Anyway - ADS is able to stop long-rod even whit Vmuzzel = 1700m/s

BTW: How many NERA layers is visible on hull SPz Puma? Up to 3?! again 3: o.O

How to get fucken angry polish PT-91 manufactory and other T-72 lovers. Polish army hard data about MTBF for polish 30 old yers Leopard 2A4 and 20-25 old yers PT-91: EDIT: data above are from ALL 128 polish Leopard 2A4 and for 144 PT-91 tanks (68% PT-91 fleet in army) during 2,5 yers exploatation Yes, T-72 is crap. yes, PT-91 is crap too

http://witu.mil.pl/www/biuletyn/ptu_2017/141/87.pdf NALYSIS OF ENERGETIC PARAMETERS FOR ANTITANK KINETIC AMMUNITION OF CONTEMPORARY BATTLEFIELD Mariusz MAGIER Wojskowy Instytut Techniczny Uzbrojenia Military Institute of Armament Technology There is sevral mistakes in this pdf - for example last penetrator in Fig.2 is definetly NOT DM53...

Polish simple NERA armour= better cut-viev: the same descibe here:

Very very good video from polish SPH Krab: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B07EVig2xQ8FdDZSWWVoeXdhVFk/view (this video will be removed soon IMHO couse it is inner Polish Army video for artilery unit and there is to mucht shown in term C3 and BMS...) so enjoy it or copy to another serwer ;-)

Have You consider fact that very offten models and cut-viev for exibitons are diffretn then "normal" or "regullar" weapons? Pz3-IT600 have NIP (non initiating precursor) -what is known form manufacurer pdf.... Or it was changed and now it's slow-streeching-jet but cone angle is IMHO wrong fors sucht soltuion (presnt in JAGM and other)

@UP Yes it's fdifficult couse tehere are diffrent linear inert whit difrent weight, size, and material - linear an HE: ChSCzKW-34, ChSCzKW-34A, ChSCzKW-34N, ChSCzKW-19, ChSCzKW-19A, ChSCzKW-19N number is size of linear and letter (or its lack) - type of linerar. More or less -two size and 3 diffrent linear types. Not mentionet explosive.

Borusk IFV

New SPH Krab (Crab) in short videoclip. Crews says that they are wery wery suprise ho god is K9 chassis whit hydropneumatic torsion - it's really good ant stabilisatin time after shoot is very short. First 24 SPH's will be in service until december.

PT-91M2 is almoust exatcly ctrl+c/ctrl+v this what I suggest here: https://we.tl/zj6Yrq288z (my article from 9/2015 for downloade for free - beta version so comenst under images are BS) PT-91M2 is this what is needed by PolishArmy: 1) New gun from Konstrukta (2A46MS) 2) New sabilisation (EPS-97 Albatross or Ukrianian 2E42M -teh same as in Bulat's) 3) New or refresh FCS (new SAVAN or polish Drawa-TGA) 4) APU 5) Soft-kill Obra-3 6) SOD (system obserwacji dookrężnej) - double thermal/day cameras whit 360 degree around turret 7) slat/bar armour 8) maybe ERAWA-3 (so polonisated Knive/Duplet) About prices - valuse form Malaysian contract from 2002-2004: EPS stabilisation - 130k EURO SKO SAVAN-15 + Vigy 821k EURO // or Drawa TGA - 1,2 mln PLN 125mm 2A46MS - 110k USD turret non-retractile bearing - 60k Euro ERAWA complet (142k PLN) Obra-3 23,75k USD etc

T-80UE1 ammo control pannel: BM9 BM15 BM22 BM48 C1 C2 G1 B32

Oh no no no not Collins anymore. This 740mm is from orginall Russian sources but there is "*" mark there in this CHARM3 value whit coment that it's really estimatous.

Yes, it was some polish military press article - when I finf it I will post here. ps. Yes, Im still alive whit my broken english

It's very possibe that Poland will buy 53 spanish Leopard 2A4. Those tank will be rebuild and upgrade to 2PL in 2021-2023. Now there are negotiation between polish and spanish MoD aboit those tanks, tankers are rather opposide to thise plans - those spanish tanks are in very very bad condioton so facotry rebulid + upgrade to 2PL propably will be cost close to buy new Leos from Germans... Anyway - as I said -it's very possible that Poland will buy this 53 Leos.

neither version, In Polish MoD opinnion change gun is pointless for cost reson - in result this one change we have almoust new tank whit all bad features from T-72 layout. IMHO - goood decisoon to stay whit 125mm. Maybe it's limitedy by patronen lenght but it's much't more cost effective to stay whit 125mm.

No, there are sevral NERA layers: In case Ob.184 before 1984 (and propably some late T-72A) we have simple steel plates:

Yes, Poland is looking now strong partner to participated in his IV gen tank program. There are sevral options but nothing sure now.

So, small update of Polish Armoured Forces program: 1) IFV "Borsuk" (Badger program) The most important polish armured program couse still using obsolate BWP-1 IFV. The whole program have big turn couse MoD accused swiming requirement and now "Badger" will not swim and have combat weight around 40 metric tons. Two prototypes has been made in HSW Facotry and one of them have now test trials. It will be shown on MSPO exebition in sebtember in Kielce city in Poland. In this program is conected new polish RCWS turret (ZSSW-30) whit 30mm ATK-44 and 2x Spike ATGM. More or less, despite 24 months delay, all is correct in this program now. 2. Leopard 2PL program. And here are first problem. But not whit tank on RH themselfs but rather on typical polish-poles war between two polish factories. What worse - cost modernization was underestimated couse polish Bumar factory must bought mucht more equipment and...personell then have. Bumar is trying to fell all on german side what couse bigger cost per one tank and MoD is angry for that. So in "time axis" whole program is corret and german partner is doing his job wery well but polish facotry (as ussallly..) fucked up it's part. Propably wil, be big turn in this program soon. Now circa 80 Leopard 2A4 are dismounted in factory and waiting for...polish factory competition growth :/ 3. Armoured MGS vehicle on chassis platform "Gepard" ( cheetah) Thanks God it was canceled 4. PT-91 tank and T-72M1 modernisation program. Yes, yes, cheetah program was canceled what forced T-72M1 and PT-91 modernisation T-72M1 modernisation will be wery limited - only night vision for gunner and passive for Tc + new programable radio and new amunition. And thats all. In case PT-91 - the scope of the modernization will be done in July. Now there are 3 possible proposition waiting for MoD decision: 1st - PT-91MZ variant (scania engine+ renk, new FCS, new gun, new most tank components to be honest) 2th - limited modernisation: New gun, turret drives, stabilisathion, partially new FCS, turret ring, radio etc - so only fire power growth + C3 3th - most limited only "refresh" - FCS modernisation, new thermal cameras, amunition and mostly that all Result will be known in June.

Another WITU pdf (whit mistaken rod image) witu.mil.pl/www/biuletyn/ptu_2017/141/87.pdf

Iranian T-72 hull armour and for compare T-72B m.1989 hull armour. Again NERA.