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BTW: fire angle captured on ISIS videos: Despite M60T-Fagot and Leo-2 and ACV-15 hit by Metis-M near hospital - all fire from sides...
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After waths all ISIS video, all photos, drone video, satmaps and other -my conclusion on one picture.
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@Methos page 2: https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP85T00757R000100080007-6.pdf Yes, we were correc. Yes, stupid page, clik again in "free download" after reloade page. Mirror: http://www.filedropper.com/leopard12r1dokorekty this lin shoud be OK -> "SZACUNKI" chapter Yes, it's VERY possible couse poeples form KMW had claimed that hull fornt of Leo-2A7V is protected like turret front. eg: "on the same level" many peoples thinkt that is pure marketing but indeed - in sucht layout it can be true...
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I have a greate satisfaction couse somthing what was very possible form me, (even obvious) become true based on facts and hard data: Leopard 2A0-A3 was better armoured then M1. Knowing mass (kg) on armour cubic m2 in Leo-2 and M1 it was almoust sure, now we have some hard data: M1: Leo-2: So we have then: M1: 400mm RHA vs KE 750mm RHA vs CE Leopard 2A0-A3: 450mm RHA vs KE* około 800-900mm RHA vs CE** * it'smass equiwalent - consedering way of working burlington style armour it shoud be multiple by even 1,1-1,2 do up to 500-540mm (!), again - fact about posibilities DM-13 to perforate Leo-2A0 armour form less then 1000m give us up to 500mm RHA value. ** estimatous based on knowing relatio between "burlington style armour" protecion between CE and KE. Propably it shoud be number close to 850mm RHA in case Leo-2A0-A4.
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@UP. Not so bad, mostly it's BS talk about Leo-2 losses. My point of view: From Daesh drone: On top - SINGLE Leo-2 damage or mobility kill, then tank hit by motar/artilery, then two captured by ISIS and burned, This top Leo looks finally this whit unkown second leo: Both destroyed tanks look like after air strike not like ATGM victims. Back to the tanks - those leo hit by artilery: again: two captured by ISIS and burned: At least 5 tanks destroyed near hospotal area: 1x artillery strike 2x burned after beaing captured 2x propably after air strike before botj have damaeg from ATGM propably It's not the and becouse we have unlucky tank hit by Metis-M: Im more then sure that in this tank where KIA... but Im not sure -it can be one tank from hospital or...from "twins" below: Famous "twins" hit by ATGM: uper one hit by Fagot/Konkurs in turret bustle side: IMHO light hit, and this tank was destroyed by Turkey forces, or it's those tank hit by Metis-M -im not sure here. Finnal efekt: second tank from "twins" hit by Fagot/Konkurs: minor damage to be hones: So as we can see - shitty tactis, mostly ATGM to turret sides. Many captured tanks or destroyed after unable to evacuate. It;s not problem whit Leo-2 but whit not existing C3 in Turks side... :/
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Bar / Cage armour + LASSO + RPGnet
Militarysta replied to Militarysta's topic in Ballistics Science Discussion
"Luke - im your father" - Swedish chain armour: Tested in 1971 reduced SC warhed penetration up to 60% -depend on warhed type- 26 replies
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Militarysta replied to Militarysta's topic in Ballistics Science Discussion
BTW: Maybe it will be good idea to start new topic about tank main armour (or passive armour, or passive reactive main armour) - generally there is a lot draws and blueprints and very good scientific research about especially soviet main tank armour :-)- 26 replies
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And very interesting russian solution, idea simmilar to the RPGnet, but whole "wall" whit metal cilinders have some aditional features - more like camofluage in IR:- 26 replies
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https://www.google.pl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj7s5yTgp7RAhXddlAKHaWsDhcQFggkMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fyadda.icm.edu.pl%2Fbaztech%2Felement%2Fbwmeta1.element.baztech-article-PWAA-0029-0006%2Fc%2Fhttpwww_witu_mil_plwwwbiuletynzeszyty20110118p51.pdf&usg=AFQjCNGcuealc1kZEFR5OEIIqeLBX_uu8g&sig2=GVzoIr4HeO685vcGTaPNIQ- 26 replies
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http://www.kones.eu/ep/2011/vol18/no1/79.pdf- 26 replies
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https://www.witu.mil.pl/www/biuletyn/ptu_2016/139/23.pdf (pdf in polish and englis) slides from pdf:
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Militarysta replied to Collimatrix's topic in Ballistics Science Discussion
OK, but why You are rejecting idea of soviet orgins BLAZER ERA? Impossible? Why not exatly? ps. M. Held I suppose in case ERA and cooperation between Germany and Israel- 282 replies
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Militarysta replied to Collimatrix's topic in Ballistics Science Discussion
I don't want to be rude but it's not in that way. In Israel there was several imigration waves from WarPac and SovietUnion - including many oficers, engeeners and others. In 1967 War the most popular pilot language was polish for exmaple. From Soviet Union there was sevral emigration waves to Israel and many many weapons project where copied or rather rebuild on some general idea taken from Soviet Union. Not funny for national pround but true.- 282 replies
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@Met749 Greate article Andriej! Seriously nice job, and well preapered. Im impressed!- 282 replies
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Intresting think: in polish Leopard 2PL will be replaced special armour in block behind EMES-15 sight. Peoples from PGZ company claim that this 660mm thick armour (whit circa 550mm special armour block made by IBD) will give this part of the turret protection like rebuild EMES-15 sight zone in Leopard 2A5... Hmm now 650 equal to erly 90s' 200mm + 650mm?
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This AMAP armour remind me RUAG protection and some patent draws: from patent:
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May I ask You - dy You have any other confirm about NERA and MEXAS? It's really interesting in case Leopard 2PL shape.
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Internet never forget: IBD armour (side hull) on Leoparda 2 concept. @SH_MM please look on upper glastic plate - interesting - isn't it? Pure thin HHS without cermaic or NxRA layers? Hmm... And side modules have composite cermaic armour - pattern of bolts clearly proofe this, but... For compare details for other IBD uparmoured Leopard2 Leopard 2NG hull: Leopard 2RI: Leopard 2SG: And.. 2PL: source: http://www.miltechmag.com/2016/09/mspo-2016-pgz-presents-leopard-2pl.html(Robert Czulda) And third interesting think about Leopard 2PL - I had tryied to estimatous weight of armour block on Leopard 2PL. Tank mass is known, I know some components including spall linear area mass, so more or less for 7 armour modules (including gun mask module) we have no more then 3,5t. so circa 500kg per module, of course mask is more simple then other and have big holes for gun, coaxial mg and FERO so propably "main" armour modules weight circa 600kg eacht... And the last interesting think - polish funny PT-16 mocked up accoding to manufacurer can heave in seriall T-72M1 turret up armoured by IBD armour modules at least 700mm RHA vs KE: http://www.altair.com.pl/magazines/htmlissue?issue_id=827&ref=issue#page/7(right bottom part) and 1000mm RHA vs CE. Base T-72M1 armour is 410-420mm RHA vs KE and circa 500mm vs HEAT, so in theory those IBD modules should give protection like circa 180-200mm RHA vs KE and 500mm vs HEAT... Whit 600kg weight per eaht on Leopard-2PL? Hmm...
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And here older version, from Type.85-II and 85-III and very very erly Type-96: From here: And Type 85 erly armour: To be honest - I would like sitting in old T-72B (Ob.184) then in those chineese tanks above - those armour modules have huge weak zones couse it's NERA placment inside... As I understend - this was relesed to public in china so in Type-96A and newest tanks there must be completly diffrent armour configuration.
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Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 in Germany in summer 2015 -all in army and in stock including factory:
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Nice promo of the Rheinmettal Leopard 2. In this case polish Leopard 2PL: Leopard 2PL in english was describe in this exelent site: http://below-the-turret-ring.blogspot.com/2016/09/updates-on-pt-16-and-leopard-2-pl.html ============ Now in polish military press im publishing article about Leopard-2 estimatous protection and it's modernisation. Conclusion propbly will not be suprising - Leopard 2A0-A4 was very good protected against soviet erly and middle 80's ATGMS and KE rounds. My own estimatous (based on multiple sources - some public open some not) is giving Leopard -2A0-A4 sucht protection level: 450-500mm RHA vs KE up to 860mm RHA vs HEAT Since 96 tank from 6 btach (2A4) protection was improved but it's difficult to estimatous. What is funny - I have very strong evidence that in 1994 german special armour (thick as Leopard-2A4 front) was able to stop LKE I (DM43) round from 2000m, so whit circa 640-700mm RHA penetration (@60. plate)... Helenic Leopard-2A6HEL whintstand 28 shots from 120mm APFSDS... etc.
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