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  1. Militarysta
    This American 125mm APFSDS-T was: XM711 / XM771
  2. Militarysta
    The more interestin think is -how to hell was resistant Leopard 2I armour if it was describe by Sweden as "better" then EAP in Abrams?! And second think- we know that "Special armour" thickness like in Leopard 2A4 armour cabvity was able to stop LKE1 (DM43) from 2km. So no less then 640mm RHA at 2km. So meybe it's true:
  3. Militarysta
    @UP TOW-2 C-G ITOW EDIT: This 125mm ammo -it's US "black project" of 125mm test APFSDS whit technology of the XM829E1/E2 -so evaluation how good can by Sowiet APFSDS based on build "US 125mm ammo" on best avaibla components. It was XM.... (i will find this marks in my notes and put here).
  4. Militarysta
    @Methos Confirm that german special amrmour was not tested in USA: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=msu.31293016483954;view=1up;seq=1 marevelous document about 105mm vs 120mm in USA: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210024740399;view=1up;seq=1 "we know that 105mm is shit but it's cost effective" BTW: Im agree that Leopard 2 is understimeted a lot. IMHO whole think is taken from T14 turret values or fact tahat in Leopard 2AV tehere was no special armour - just "cavity" made by frontplate and backplate - X-rayed by Americans who "discover" there is no special armour there. So propably (it's only my assumption) value for Leo2 is taken from XM1 whit thinner backplate and frontplate in leo-2 (2x 45mm RHA) IMHO there is no other logical explanation of sucht value
  5. Militarysta
    Thanks to Paweł Przeździecki (Przebzdziello on TnakNet) a few pages later on the same report:
  6. Militarysta
    Shame on me - M60 hit by ATGM
  7. Militarysta
    ;-)
  8. Militarysta
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=mLsGgUTsJgQ Konkurs/Fagot in to L2A4 turret front -no penetration First in history filmed catastrophic kill after Konkurs kit in L2a4 hull ammo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=65&v=_dx7NZJXHoM Total kill + heavy damage Sabra behind the Leo: + heavy damage Sabra:
  9. Militarysta
    It's not all. Heavy version of AMAP-ADS is able to stop APFSDS-T even from 200m distance.
  10. Militarysta
    This should help: 2A4 H22: https://i.imgur.com/a44ca67.jpg Leo2A6HEL: https://i.imgur.com/bMBCJNW.jpg
  11. Militarysta
    lolcontent for today: for kids: http://wceo.com.pl/wydawnictwa/166-kolorowanki/660-technika-wojska-polskiego.html (POBIERZ button on page) download link: wceo.com.pl/images/Wydawnictwa/Kolorowanki/Technika_Wojska_Polskiego/Technika_Wojska_Polskiego.pdf
  12. Militarysta
    ATGM Konkurs from Kurds Perszmenga on Leo-2A4 back: Lucky (for crew) as f*ck: IMHO even WNA-H22 hydraulic pomp will be not damage. Very lucky for crew.
  13. Militarysta
    Again - nope :-) The goal is to damage penetrator and brake it for as many parts as it's possible - that's the goal for ERA armour. Single heavy plate, or two or even 3 plates (Relikt) moving whit opposide direction and whit diffrent speed are one solution - very good known on west and able to overcome. I mean western long-rods whit jacked penetrators are higly resistant for flying one or two heavy plates. Of course not immune. What worse - special tip in penetrator is able to dismont ERA tiles whithout ignite it. What even worse - there are present segmented and jacked rods rods (DM53, DM63) able to evercome ERA in sevral ways. Bad news for calssic ER whit flying plates. And now we have Knive ERA when you have sevral DIFFRENT factors which are damaging long rods - firs is linear SC -one or two of them will have optimum stand-off and will be able to heavy damage Long-rod or even cut it in one place. Second factors are forced fragmantation of external ERA casette - sevral heavy fragments will hit penetrator after it will be damage by one or two linear SC and what even worse -after it tip will be in armour. So long-rod just MUST be broken in one or even sevral places. Bad news for long-rods...
  14. Militarysta
    Greate post about chineese 125mm. ps. on what forum discusion? Another chineese tanks fanboys?
  15. Militarysta
    It's really simple - Knive is not czech EFA. It''s work on difrent principles. http://dziennikzbrojny.pl/artykuly/art,5,23,8552,wojska-ladowe,wyposazenie,ukrainski-pancerz-reaktywny-noz-czesc-ii-noz-i-duplet Effectivnes of the Knive ERA is based on foced fregmentation the thick frontplate of ERA casette. No magic there, no mysterious factors - only one or two linear SC in Knive module have optimum stand-off to damage (not even "cut") penetrator BUT - those linear SC will formed about 7 to 14 heavy mettal elements who where hit from under APFSDS. And thats the point - tip of rod placed IN armour, after tip - heavy damage by SC penetrator and after that - strike form "bottom" by sevral formed metal elements from thic k(at least 15mm) ERA frontplate.
  16. Militarysta
    Yes. As short term solution: APFSDS "Ryś" whit Plansee rods: As long-term solution - new 125mm APFSDS whit composite sabot and rod lenght equal to cira ~58cm. The problem is that polish amunition industry is looking composite sabot for 125mm on short list stays: USA whit it's "black project" for 125mm, France and one more partner. This long-term solution is IMHO not very sure...
  17. Militarysta
    Hello back ;-) I) Polish Leopard 2PL program have one year delay couse two polish factories (ZM Tarnów and PCO) where unable to take technology from German Rheinmettal in propper time. So not 2020 but 2021 as DOI for 2APL. II) Polish T-72M1 and PT-91 will be modernisated. At least 223 PT-91 and ~120 T-72M1. So 6 batalions (polish Tk.Bn have 58 tanks in 4 companies - eacht 14 tanks + 2 tanks in Bn.HQ) Sevral facts: 1) Base upgrade for polish T-72M1 will be almoust the same as russian T-72BA. After that tanks will be upgrade to other wariat - common whit PT-91. So firstly - deep rebuild whit new APU, night vision (Liswarta nad Radomka from PCO), Deugra, modernisated AZ, newo fuel system, new electric system, new consoles for all tan crew members, new smoke charges and Obra-3, and other minor changes. After this T-72M1 will be obligatory upgraded to PT-91 standard. 2) All tanks will have new ERAWA-2 whit two type casettes - heavy and light (aluminia alloys). No Knive/Duplet will be introduced couse weight reson and fact that in "light" version of Knive there was no diffrent protection then in ERAWA-2. Of course heavy Duplet is better but due to weight reson it's imposible to put it on PT-91 or T-72M1. And light version is on par whit K5 and lest's say - not so good in two areas as ERAWA-2. Including tanderm warhed :))) So upgreaded ERAWA will stay whit PT-91 and T-72M1 couse ist still good solution. What funny - Knive wasttested in Poland and ERAWA-3 will be based on it, but whole problem is whit obligatory heavy ERA casettes for Knive/Duplet - in this (heavy...) solutions is hidden Kive/Duplet effetivnes. 3) Polish factory give polish MoD sevral option for modernisation. Base level (rebuild only) will cost circa 1,1mln USD and after this we have sevral options whit many diffrent components including FCS from France, Turkey or Israeli, 2A46MS from Slovakia, thre diffrent stabilisation system (mostly EPS) and new turret ring. Of course there are many options. Rumors says that middle version (Savan-15, 2A46MS, EPS Albatross, new turret ring, etc) will cost like combat Rosomak M1M so circa 13mln PLN so circa 3,82mln USD per tank. The most advanced version is like PT-91M2+ whit new power-pack whit new engine and ESM. Before june polish MoD will chose what range of modernisation and in what cost will be done. Propably wole program for at least ~350 tanks will be asigned on MSPO2018.
  18. Militarysta
    @UP K - commander tank, and T-80UA The most funny is that Ainet system was introduced to service while on west where not serial analoge -including Kalanit on Merkavas. Nie miejiut anlogow w miru ;)
  19. Militarysta
    Ob.477A1 "Nota" Well better photo then "bulgarian ones:
  20. Militarysta
    Nice model work. Very very accurate
  21. Militarysta
    Turret armour weight 8,9t (including ciitadele from RHA plates)
  22. Militarysta
    UP this element weight 640kg If you want You can assume how thick shoud be RHA place in this gun mantled mask if you assume that this element weight: a) ca 832kg (RHA vs KE as 1.3) b) ca 1280 (RHE vs CE as 2) etc
  23. Militarysta
    exelent stuff!
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  25. Militarysta
    1) hull ammo rack is placed at sucht angle in to longitiudal axis. And rack lenght is <1050mm 2) I had mesured it twice on two diffrent Leos-2A4 and it's 600-620mm LOS. 3) lecelrc hull is really hard to estimatous. I had truied it without measure real tank: And here is mucht better job done by guy who was sitting in Leclerc:
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