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  1. Militarysta
    It's like Arsen Pavlov "Motorolla" -so lovely dead
  2. Militarysta
    Menhwile in Donieck Republic T-72B1 Anno Domini 2016 Ps. Poland is using Dm-53 LKEII round - Germans give us whit Leopard 2A5 few thousands rounds (circa 2k) as first use stock.
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    @Methos Im not sure if Fovanow is living in empty space Who really know usally don't wrote anythink... The true is that 3BM48 is placed in offcial KB Tula statsment as DOI in 1991: (source from circa 2010's (previous decade) Год принятия на вооружение - DOI Существующие образцы - existing amunition Находящиеся в разработке - In development Планируемые к разработке - Planned to develop And it's present in FCS contol pannel in Sprut-SD: And it have GRAU designation. And yes - whole BM9, 15, 22 etc are still using in Russian Army as in Polsih army - what is stupid - mostly for trening purpose, couse APFSDS-T-TP is not ussaly avaible...the same think is in Polish and Russian army unfortunatly. What more - polish PT-91 are still using 3BM15... And Russian tanks - 3BM26 Wikipedia is not a source. Read english wiki about Leopard-2 tanks and You will see why. Answer is very simple - Sowiet and Russian DOI is before amunition is mass placed in tanks. 3BM32 was developed in 1985 but DOI and 1987 and introduced in mass production in circa 1988-1989 3BM42 was developed in 1986 but DOI in 1988 and introduced in mass production in 1989-1990, 3MB48 was DOI in 1991 and introducen in mass prduction - well good question if or in what number At least Sprut-SD have it in FCS. Svieniets-1 and 2 was developed in end 1990s and DOI in 2002 but propably indeed mass production was redy in 2010 - or even later. So there is no discrepancy here. Offcial DOI in to service and give GRAU designaton is few (or even more) years before mass production.
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    It's not true to be honest. And there are 3 diffrent "Sviniets" round in Russia: 3BM48 Sviniets 1991 DU rod for Sprut-SD, T-90, T-90A, and propably for some T-80U whit ESSA and PLISA. 3BM59 Sviniets-1 2002 DU for T-90A and T-72B3 since 2014 3BM60 Sviniets-2 2002 WHA as above. And even the oldes "Sviniets" 3BM48 (DOI 1991) was in mass production:
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    @UP PTUR or rather ATGM ;-) in western nomenclature. And big gap after ERA hit was commpon porblem in case ERA:
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    More or less most study from 1980 -so no wery younger then DM13 and XM833 give us huge gap between DU and WHA penetration: heavy single NATO target - 60% (!) heavy tripple NATO target - 43% (!) unkown incarease tragets: from 13% up to 38% All for XM833 for DU and WHA core. More fresh studies - from end of the 80s give us diffrence on 13-15% level. BTW: It's only depend on one "factor" - real penetrator lenght in M829A3. My sugestion is that there is special "tip" or rather segment to overpas heavy ERA. In sucht case this segment should not take part in main armour penetration and this more then 800mm is BS. But...it's not so simple. What if this "segemnt" will take a part in penetration process if there is no ERA? Then whole penetrator lenght is circa 800mm. And there is of course possibility that there is no any single sophisticated solution and we have just long and heavy rod. Again -at least 800mm long. How big will be penetration of RHA monoblock by 800mm long rod whit V-drop circa 1500m/s? For 0. plate circa 800, for 60. plate - slighty more up to 880-900mm... Again - value "over 800mm RHA" is fully possible in M829A3 case.
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    next one:
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    @SH_MM About DU and WHA: from: David Cullen, Researcher, ICBUW yes, poor sources couse to muchrt "green" ones... So maybe better: As We can see - for XM833 difrense is is between WHA and DU: heavy single NATO target - 60% (!) heavy tripple NATO target - 43% (!) unkown incarease tragets: from 13% up to 38% So yes, penetration difrences between DM13 and M827 may be so big... More fresh study: And form 1990:
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    Hi Methos, to be onest - In article I had used two russian sources :-) couse they have the same metodology: Of course some of them was estimatous. In term this polish military press - no hard data, just form context - couse diffrent gun. btw: DU vs WHA it's old story, in some sources there is 18% difrences between both material...
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    My "favorite" myths abut tanks: 1) Leopard-2AV main armour was worse then XM1 :-) 2) Leopard-2A4 was inferior in armour protection in compare to M1 and M1IP 3) T-72B was poor protected in compare to western tanks 4) T-80U was poor protected in compare to western tanks The favorite one: 5) T-72B and T-80B and T-80U and T-64 have therible "Ronson quality" survivialibity on battelfield after hit
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    From my article in Polish military press: http://www.magnum-x.pl/artykul/tendencje-rozwojowe-przeciwpancernych-pociskow-podkalibrowych Table whit APFSDS data: Value above is for @60 degree slopped plate in 2km distance. There is one mistake above. For person who find it - full article (in Polish) and value for DM53 from Polish industry (lol) http://www.altair.com.pl/magazines/htmlissue?issue_id=827&ref=issue page 5-6: So in theory DM53 can achive 670 to 700mm RHA penetration acoding to manufacurer. Polish industry downgaraded this value in tabel in minus 40mm RHA to between 630 - 660mm RHA couse L50 barrel and 1710m/s muzzle.
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    Eurostatory2016 - Nexter munition (IMHO mucht more interesting then intenrational onanism on 130mm Rheinmettal gun) Yes...datalink and programator in APFSDS-T Nexter F1B-NG: And it's not firs western APFSDS-T whit data link and programator: Why there is data-link/progamator in APFSDS-T round? I have a theory: Propably it is to somehow use a precursor that is "fired ahead" of the main rod. So how the rod designs looks like here? The rod is made from two segments, the "precursor" and the main rod behind it. How they are connected? it might be some sort of polymer, glue that can be weakened by heat and the release precursor, and during flight rods heat up pretty nicely. The precursor can also be relased based on a simple difference of speed between it and the main rod, and main rod can be slowed down by some sort of additional fins (aerodynamic breaks) released at specific point programmed by FCS. In such case precuros would initiate ERA and the main rod would have a clear way to main armor of the target. How to cheat APS tough? Counting that precursor will be qualified by APS as threat and APS will be initiated, creating a time gap in APS reaction so it won't be able to counter the main rod? Possible yes, but then there is question, if APS will just not ignore the precursor, and this might happen, now of course there is a question how dangerous is precursor itself? For a MBT or vehicle with similiar levels of protection, for it's front it won't be dangerous in most cases, sides? If they do not have any addon armor, very possible. For lightweight platforms, yeah precursor also will be dangerous. Of course these are only hypothesis, and we will see if other nations will also design APFSDS rounds with data link. Then we might get closer to the truth. Right now, treat it as food for thoughts. And now French "new generation" OFL have progrmator. In case Abrams - datalink can be used for secure resons. In M1 gunner (not loader like in Leo-2) is setting type of ammo, so in theory there is posibilty that loader put for example APFSDS-T but gunner have still HEAT set up in FCS. So programator was some theory how to avoid sucht mistakes. But in Leclerc ammo? There are two barcode scaner in Leclerc Seriee XXI and bar code on ammo. So there is no posibility to "mistaken" loaded ammo. So meybe my crazy theory about precursor in APFSDS could be real? ps. USA had tested T-84 whit Knive = programator in new M829A4 Frencht had tested Knive ERA = pogramator in new F1B-NG Poland had tested Kinve ERA = "new" Leopard-2PL will have programator in Rh120mm gun... Strange...
  13. Militarysta
    I will repost
  14. Militarysta
    DM53 is segmented: short-short-long DM56 is segmented in short-short-short-short-shoer Of course it's not segmented during fly, but "semi segmented" - heavy tungsten alloys slugs (something like 30mm APDS ammo) are "melti" in diffrent material and coverd by diffrent mettal jacekd. DM-53 can overcome K5 without it's initiation and overcome double-reactive (IMHO Relikt) armour.
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    Maybe this will be helpfull: http://dziennikzbrojny.pl/artykuly/art,5,19,9828,wojska-ladowe,czolgi,pokonac-pancerz-czesc-iii-dane-amunicji-apfsds-t (table with data) http://dziennikzbrojny.pl/artykuly/art,5,23,8924,wojska-ladowe,wyposazenie,pokonac-pancerz-czesc-ii-a-ile-to-przebija-czyli-o-szacunkach-i-metodologii-slow-kilka again - table with data + google translator will help I suppose
  16. Militarysta
    1) I would be very cearfull whit sucht statment like this about 20-25% "over Rh120 L-55 gun". Becouse it was about what exatly? muzzle MJ for sabot and penetrator? MJ for penetrator during fly? or what? 2) Optimum velocity and penetrator lenght is diffrent for gun systems and ammo More or less simmilar lenght have M829A3 penetrator right now: And here better photo of the new 130mm:
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    IFV Rosomak (fully polonisated AMV)
  18. Militarysta
    No. It;s not ETC.
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    Notice
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    Unfortunately very offen there is replicated myth about soviet Kontakt 1 ERA (4s20) as captured BLAZER copy. It's completly false statment - developed 4s20 was independent soviet work and had started even erlyer then Blazer.. All is visible on cut-viev of the Blazer and Kontakt 1 ERA: First of all - erly Blazer mostly have ONE reactive element inside ERA casette, Kontakt - always TWO elements. Second - there is diffrent build of reactive elements in Blazer and 4s20 -what is visible.
  21. Militarysta
    1989; old good conscript army of "People Republic od Poland" from 0:33 on movie - hand granades vs T-72M1 )
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    ps: More tank and APC/IFV videos I will post soon :-)
  23. Militarysta
    Polish ANAKONDA-16 (Anaconda) trening on videos. NATO and polish soilders in the bigest (after 1989) trening in Poland: couple of videos: US Tanks, IFV, and motars + polish 2S1: paratroopers: SAAM Kub in action: Making bridge on Wisła river (yes, huge river) in 45minutes
  24. Militarysta
    PzF-3IT600 had those over 900mm RHA. Proven in Poland It have new warhed. Tommorow will wrote more.
  25. Militarysta
    WTF?! It's Ukrainian T-84: Warta ASP soft kill not Sthora Erly Knife/K-5 casette KBA-3 gun etc It's not T-90M! But funny mistake.
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