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@SH_MM
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This is Wisent 2 AEV Canada, protection designed by KMW.
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1 hour ago, SH_MM said:
KMW is not developing its own special armor. The Bergepanzer 2 (locally called Taurus) of Canada is fitted with MEXAS, these kits were already purchased during KFOR.
Who told you that KMW is not developing its own special armour. This statement is pure speculation. Even if they are not doing high promotion (to whom should they do it unless to their potential customers) they have it in their companies slogan: "protects your mission". And believe me, the Leopard 2 A4M CAN protection comes solely from KMW and not any part at all was from your hotly favoured company IBD.
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@SH_MM It seem that you believe that IBD Deisenroth has the only and best armour solutions for Leopard 2 tanks! One may even think you are sponsored by this company to promote their solutions. But let me give some statements:
Rumours in the protection community are saying that IBD reaches the end of the line as Ulf Deisenroth, the brilliant armour developer, passed by in 2015 and his wife and his two daughters want to sell the company (what they partly did with Chempro and ADS to Rheinmetall).
Yes, he did great work for Leopard 2 protection but that's over since the Swedish MBT122 program. The following developments like for Singapore, Evolution, Revolution, Indonesia and Poland had been "poor man" solutions mainly for Rheinmetall and retrofits with a lot of compromises! No development was performed with KMW any more and there might be a reason: KMW developers prooved own protection kits like for A4M Canada, their bridge layer and the AEV 2 Canada for FFG. So, the time of MEXAS and AMAP solutions are definitely gone for new Leopard 2 designs.
The Swedish IBD office does not exist any more and the former employees are spread away, FYI.
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2A6 are 2A5 turrets which just got the L55 barrel. The 2A6M got mine protection in addition and the 2A7 got some additional features like auxiliary power supply.
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Hopefully not as they are an integral part of the complete armour package! They L2A5 got the internal packages changed to "D" technology.
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As far as I understood the integrated modules had not be changed due to lack of money! Correct?
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@heretic88 are you tanker or artillery man?
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@Valryon with your estimation the add-on armour of the 2PL is just 4 tons as the 2A4 is 55 tons. So the Hungarian Army did the better choice with the 2A7+ having protection as the 2A5 at the turret, frontal protection at the chassis as the Danish 2A5 and mine protection. All this with less than 64 tons. Of course this is a much more expensive solution and can be done only by the OEM in a new built tank but is best for the threat of today and tomorrow! Congratulations to the Magyars.
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The photos of the Leopard 2 PL from Valryon show that the chassis is still kept at the Leopard 2 A4 configuration. That add-on armour on the turret looks to be more for all-around protection against RPG and not so much against frontal HEAT protection. The total weight of that vehicle would be interesting to know. Has anybody some figures?
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20 hours ago, VPZ said:
...Leopard 1...
Looks more like a Marder with a new turret on...
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17 hours ago, Valryon said:
... hey man you are quite well on track!!!
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My German friend was on Foerderkreis Deutsches Heer symposium at KMW on 7th November and told that German procurement agency is now forming with their French counterparts a MGCS common office. This is to be located somewhere in Germany. They defined five key technology domains calling them: effectors, mobility, survivability, SDRI & targeting and C3I. Hope to get more information on the individual domain content. Getting interesting now to see how slowly they are starting....
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Alanch90, do you have reliable fotos or sketches of Svinets-1 or -2? I found no fotos with a clear type allocation to 3BM-59 or 3BM-60! When was the DOI of these rounds?
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On 10/20/2018 at 9:10 AM, Militarysta said:
Wonderfull photos of polish "golden autumn" and tanks from 10 Tk Bde by press 11 "Lubuska" Armoured Division.
Photos made by Senior Staff Warrant Officer Rafał Mniedło:
Really very nice fotos from Leopard 2 A4. It is a pitty that this tank cannot withstand a possible threat of today. The Polish Army needs some upgrade to more than the Leopard 2 A5 they also have in use and not a downgrade to the PL version!
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8 hours ago, SH_MM said:
Leopard 2RI production line.
It's the Unterlüss production line, isn't it? And the foreground chassis with glacis add-on, hatch and mounting plates for side armor looks like for Leopard 2PL, or?
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On 10/6/2018 at 12:33 PM, SH_MM said:
Your whole argument is silly. Rheinmetall purchased MaK's military division in 1990; MaK built 45% of all Leopard 2 tanks for the German army and a similar fraction of Leopard 1 tanks. Rheinmetall also purchased Thyssen-Henschel and KUKA's military division; Thyssen-Henschel has been responsible for developing and producing vehicles like the Marder IFV, the TAM tank and the TH 495 IFV. KUKA has delievered turrets for various AFVs . Rheinmetall has all the capabilities as a system integrator that are required for making MBTs; there isn't much difference between putting a modern AFV (like the Boxer or Puma) or a modern MBT together. Btw. the upgrade of various German Leopard 2 MBTs, maintenance and production of heavy support vehicles (like for example the Kodiak) are also a tasks that Rheinmetall has been responsible for.
No company in the world is capable of developing a new tank completely by itself - designing, developing and manufacturing a main battle tank is a task that requires multiple companies to cooperate; e.g. no tank manufacturer in the world has the knowledge and capacities to produce modern engines and transmission. "Tank manufacturers" take the role of system integrators, i.e. their task is to make sure that all components fit together and to put everything together. That's what KMW, Rheinmetall, UralVagonZavod, General Dynamics, MANTAK, etc. all do. Some system integrators - like Rheinmetall - produce some of the parts by themselves, while others - like for example KMW and General Dynamics - design and use only a very limited number of self-made components, they rely heavier on cooperation with other vendors.
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As far as the rumors of Poland manufacturing a Rheinmetall-designed MBT are concerned, I wouldn't put that much faith into them. While there have been talks between Rheinmetall and Polish officials, there are tons of reason why one should be careful at first. Poland's budget doesn't really allow funding and purchasing a new tank without exterior cooperation (they could only afford a scaled-back, downgraded Leopard 2 upgrade...). Rheinmetall is also interested in the MGCS, which would be a far more lucrative deal and has good chances to win a contract. While Poland has requested to join the MGCS, these requests have currently been denied (but they may allow Poland to join at a later stage). Given the limited ressources of the company (there aren't many people with in-depth knowledge in tank and AFV design), there might be a need to make a choice between the MGCS and the Polish program, unless Poland joins the MGCS project. Furthermore the claimed schedule is extremely unrealistic. The MGCS project has been started in 2012, but series production is expected to start after 2030 (some estimates say 2035 might be more realistic); a tank design for Poland would start several years after 2012 - it is extremely unrealistic to get a new tank into production by 2027.Furthermore the Polish industry lacks the capabilties to make a true next-gen tank, even if the design is provided by Germany - just look at the Leopard 2PL, which has been delayed by 1-2 years because Bumar Łabędy and other Polish companies lacked the tools and know-how to modify the Leopard 2. Add to this any next-gen manufacturing process (or current gen ones) and it seems pretty much impossible for Poland to manufacture a new MBT by 2030.
Thank you for your detailed explanations, very helpful. I like to address a few questions you may be able to answer: First, what German Leopard upgrades did Rheinmetall? Second, why do you think Rheinmetall has good changes to win the MGCS contract. According to my info they have to share a contract with KMW anyhow as German authorities want to have a share between the two both as long as possible like with Boxer and Puma.
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The Lynx KF41 is an AIFV and not a MBT! Up to now Rheinmetall did only different Leopard 2 modifications, not more. The only customers for the moment are Indonesia and Poland. They are doing great guns and fine ammo and they should stay with these things.
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Sorry, as a Newbie I got a little be confused with replying correctly.....
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3 minutes ago, Gun Ready said:
Thaks for these very interesting answers. Especially the 130 mm development will be traced by me (as Gun Ready) very attentively! Will see under what cicumstances a production of 400 to 800 tanks will be financed by Polish government.
I daubt that Rheinmetall can do a successful counteroffer to a KNDS tank as they are no tank developers as KMW and Nexter
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2 hours ago, Zadlo said:
Leopard 2 is known in Poland, Leclerc not.
The only known things about the tank:
- G2G between Polish and German government (the talks have been started roughly at the beginning of this year but it is still not signed)
- production in Poland (Bumar-Labedy) starting between 2027 and 2030 (according to PGZ)
- between 400 and 800 tanks only for Polish Armed Forces
- 130 mm Rheinmetall's smoothbore gun as main armament - probably with production in Poland
- high degree of "polonization", including all the rights to the tank (even in this situation Rheinmetall wants to be claimed as a Polish company)
- the tank will be offered by Rheinmetall in Germany as a Leopard 2 replacement and the counteroffer to KNDS tank.
Thaks for these very interesting answers. Especially the 130 mm development will be traced by me (as Gun Ready) very attentively! Will see under what cicumstances a production of 400 to 800 tanks will be financed by Polish government.
2 hours ago, Zadlo said:Leopard 2 is known in Poland, Leclerc not.
The only known things about the tank:
- G2G between Polish and German government (the talks have been started roughly at the beginning of this year but it is still not signed)
- production in Poland (Bumar-Labedy) starting between 2027 and 2030 (according to PGZ)
- between 400 and 800 tanks only for Polish Armed Forces
- 130 mm Rheinmetall's smoothbore gun as main armament - probably with production in Poland
- high degree of "polonization", including all the rights to the tank (even in this situation Rheinmetall wants to be claimed as a Polish company)
- the tank will be offered by Rheinmetall in Germany as a Leopard 2 replacement and the counteroffer to KNDS tank.
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Is something known about the new tank proposed by PGZ? Could the EMBT be an interesting concept for Polish MoD as this tank has a 120 mm NATO standard caliber, an autoloader and the high mobility and reliability of Leopard 2 well known to Polish Army?
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If Poland likes to join the official MGCS program, a few years have to we waited until the French and the German authorities really made up their mind how this next generation MBT should look like. Rheinmetall can offer in the meanwhile a lot of hypothetical concepts.
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@Renegade334 many thanks for your help! Can you also provide help for inserting .jpg in this editor using android?