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mr.T

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  1. But the whole point of an IFV was a vehicle that could carry infantry into combat and fight along side , and if .50bmg is already a threat to BMP1 and 2 then its hard pressed as and IFV , BMO can probably handle all the HMG and even some cannon plus basic RPG ,making up for poor troop enty/exit (note number of early israeli HAFV built on tanks had similar over the top exit) BMO-T is not much different than BMP in roof height While front entry exit is not the most practical , its still better than not having a heavy APC at all. Frontal exit was the easiest to make on a tank chassis
  2. Given mass and one man less , you would be hard pressed to claim advantage at armor protection. Multi fuel engine is basically any diesel engine its more of a marketing fad than practical application . I wouldn't be surprised if K2 would utterly outclass the Leopard2 at firing on the move due to hydropneumatic suspension. And Koreans are probably willing to offer more manufacturing and tech cooperation to sells theirs while Germans can barely built a leopard without sourcing mayor parts around Europe
  3. Lots of frendly fire for RuAF lately 2 planes in two days shot down by own SAMs First a Su-34 now it seems Su-35 https://t.me/RVvoenkor/20282
  4. You have to take these reports with grain of salt , as long as Iran is somewhat unsanctioned by EU its not going to jeopardise that . While i am certain there is some shearing of experience ,and tactical implementation with the Iranians i would be sceptical of any large scale drone purchase . This is most likely story launched to provide some cover for Biden when he is on his knees s*cking MBS beging for more oil.
  5. You do realize how artillery shrapnel works , typical 155 or 152mm grenade fragment can pierce an armored SPG armor at 50+ meters , stanag 4569 level 1 armoring which is kinda common on SPG is actually rated to protect against 20g artillery fragment only at 100m imagine unprotected artillery with lightweight titanium frame . When it comes to STANAG 4569 protection levels only once you reach IV vehicle is protected from a HE 155mm shell at 30m , and level V at 25m from the impact of HE shell. No SPG supplied to ukraine has level 4 protection and level 5 is basically frontal armor of a modern IFV again way beyond protection levels of any SPG Original Bradley survivability requirement was 1 x 152 mm airburst at 18 meter and zero crew compartment penetration. Bradley has a least level V all roudn and level 5 frontal armor. Folks expect destroyed artillery means its blows up in flames , which is not really the case ,typical shrapnel does enough damage with close enough misses to render things inoperable or at least unsafe (note that barrel steel is very ductile but quite soft to handle the pressure , in comparison to armor stell shrapnel goes trough barrel steel like knife trough butter ) that is why Artillery shells make such great IED base very few armored vehicles can survive being hit by shapnel from one at any practical distance. 152mm shell fragments http://fotki29.ru/war_in_the_donbass/photo/ukraine_1417474109_.jpg ''The commander of the logistics service of the ground forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Brigadier General Volodymyr Karpenko, specifically mentioned M777 Howitzers. Karpenko addressed his grievance to the United States regarding the M777 howitzers they are supplying to Ukraine. As per Karpenko, the situation is extremely difficult, as these howitzers “constantly break down and require repair.” In an interview with National Defense on June 15, Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine Denys Sharapov said after each “artillery duel”, on average, two of the six M777 howitzers have to be repaired because the components of these guns are damaged by Russian shells.'' In a strike like this naive folk think that because there are not 3 fireballs howitzers survived , in reality that is highly unlikely even if some can be moved or even driven away likely hood of any of them remaining operational is very small. And then you have an Issue where you get spare parts and things repaired which is particularly an issue with foreign gear supplied in low numbers An example on how artilery fire damages armor.... In 1988 US Artillery command performed a series of tests to determine the effect of non-guided conventional HE shells, fired indirectly on targets, with the aim of modelling a potential engagement with soviet artillery. The ammunition used were 155mm HE shells. First test was performed by a battery of 155mm M109 howitzers utilizing soviet fire control protocols and ammunition consumption norms of the time. Targets were mannequins, army trucks, M113 APCs, M577 command vehicles and M48 tanks. Three fire missions were executed on targets, 56 HE shells each with contact and non-contact detonators (50/50). Effect on the infantry and the trucks was very close to prior US calculations. However, effect on the armored vehicles far surpassed expected levels, reaching as high as 67% of vehicles disabled. Although zero direct hits were achieved, fragments of the 155mm shells delivered serious damage to the armored vehicles - they penetrated armor, destroyed tracks, optical and targeting equipment and even caused fire in one of the APCs. This test has definitely confirmed the efficiency of indirect fire against armored vehicles. This command vehicle was successfully penetrated by HE shells fragments. This APC has suffered damage of the gun and external equipment. Next stage of tests lasted for seven months and was meant to research the effects of direct hits of 155mm shells on the armored vehicles. The outcome was that maximum effect was achieved by air detonation shells with non-contact detonators. The shrapnel successfully damaged gun barrels, external equipment, sights, engine radiators and chassis elements. The third stage of testing was the most spectacular - a full stationary fortified position was created with trenches and all. A full motorised platoon was deployed on the fortified position (with mannequins instead of men, of course). APCs, tanks, weapons and mannequins were all properly positioned and entrenched. To achieve 50% targets disabled the 24-gun 155mm artillery battery used 2600 HE shells. Even when properly dug in, 50% of APCs and tanks were rendered inoperable (mission kill). It was also noted that the testing did not take into the account such additional adverse effects as smoke, dust, scopes alignment displacement, physiological and psychological effect of HE blasts of people. General outcome of the testing was formulated as follows: A direct hit from a 152/155mm HE shell from above is guaranteed to achieve a mission kill on any armored vehicle. A hit within 30m from the vehicle is potentially able to damage the vehicle sufficiently to achieve a mission kill. APCs are exceptionally vulnerable to indirect artillery fire and high irrecoverable losses are to be expected in case of incoming 152/155mm artillery fire both of vehicles and of carried personnel.
  6. First and fore most reason is the sheer amount of propaganda covering Ukraine conflict , finding stuff on ukraine that not pro Ukrainian is near impossible outside Telegram. You can't expect everything to be on tape but Ukrainians themselves say that most of M777 are already wrecked. Remember when these were first delivered they were touted to be absolute game changers , same as they are touting HIMARS now . as if Ukraine didin have similary capable Uragan launcher in the past .And honestly most of the heavy gear aside from M777 is supplied in extremely small numbers And when the gear gets wrecked in wearehouses you can hardly expect a video clearly showing it https://i.ibb.co/3RRPG8F/photo-2022-07-13-18-42-14.jpg Is quite interesting propaganda reporting has a considerable lag , for example city already taken and then for 3 days they publish a report on street fightign and a week later on organised retreat. One thing that keeps poping up and is so far undisputed is Ukrainans loosing 1000 soldiers per day (200KIA +800WIA ) for at least past month. 7500+ MIA in Donbass since May and cca 9000 POW so far , does it look like they are wining anything. In any case if you want some unbiased insight from Ukraine, Austrian military academy is the go to on You tube , they also explain the issue with numbers .
  7. Cage armor is in principe 'probability' armor , if the warhead is damaged so that shaped charge is not correctly formed or doesnt go of at all then it worked , if shaped charge went of upon hitting it will not help much as shaped charge penetration is not that much effected from the stand off distance at which slat armors stand particulary as the penetration of even basic RPG 7 is a huge overkill against anything short of MBT . There is no difference in RPG or AT-4 or Carl Gustav effectiveness against slat armor.
  8. Wonder how the bomb aiming is done for such a bomblet run
  9. Germany is offering Marders and Fuchses not Leopards in exchange for T72 and clones to ukraine. There are no Leopard2 to be had.
  10. mr.T

    UAV thread

    Drones in contested environment need to be considered dispensable. In the past wars like Afghanistan ,Syria ,Libya ,Irak a drone like Predator or TB-2 could rack up lots of missions before suffering a loss , here its unlimited budget and supply that is keeping the TB-2 in the fight inUkraine, in any scenario where West wouldn't be dropping 50 billion$ in two months there would be nothing left in the skies. Now as long as there are TB-2 that can be bought, Ukraine can replenish we are all paying for it, and when they burn through stock of those US will supply Predator or similar. In many ways small suicide drones might be more bang for the buck , end of the day if TB-2 can't drop more than 4 munitions before its shot down its kinda expensive to loose after a flight or two not to mention it needs an airstrip to operate.
  11. mr.T

    UAV thread

    Snake island is so far from Crimea that it can't really be protected without ships providing SAM umbrella , even so given how the war is fought(ukraines near unlimited ISR and drone resources courtesy of western sponsors) i don't see much use for snake island , who ever occupies it be it Russians or Ukrainians is literally a sitting duck , while island does not provide any offensive capability . With appearance of new artillery and even 155mm guided shells , Ukrainians can literally shot at it from mainland shores . But if they man it Russians can bomb them at will as well.
  12. 1000-1500 man garrison in Transnistria is to small to even protect themselves let alone engage in Invasion. Ukrainian minister actually called for Ukrainian forces on twitter to make an incursion and capture these troops to use for exchange of POWs or something like that.
  13. Looks like fiberglass storage bins instead of armor https://ibb.co/ykY5nhX https://ibb.co/Cnc79nn
  14. It looks like Russians started destroying bridges over Dnieper river which will make it hard for Ukrainians to get supplies, reinforcements and all the donated armor into the combat zone at all . River Dnieper is quite wide natural obstacle getting stuff over with pontoons is slow. But part of Russian troops that is on the other side faces similar problem should any of the 3 bridges they control be hit
  15. So this anti idle is basically a stop start system like you have had in civilian cars for about past 15 years. Probably not designed to cut out on every stoplight like civilian editions.
  16. They look like Mitsubishi Tritons , and camo is like Jihad design bureau standard ,dryweather only mud and dust covering white
  17. Yes the BS and fakeshit over Ukraine is probably off the charts compared to any conflict before. That is some interesting Ukrainian tactical
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