TINDALOS

9 minutes ago, Pardus said:

 

NATO imperialist expansion?? Sure, if you consider trying to spread democracy, freedom of press & speech, and protect people from criminal states imperialistic.

 

I think you're forgetting NATO is a defense pact, created precisely in response to piranha states like the one Putin is ruling with an iron fist. 

 

Hence little Putin's reckless actions are only incentivizing MORE states to join NATO, such as Sweden & Finland = The exact thing the little maniac claims he wants to avoid, and has already threatened nuclear war over.

LMAO

6 minutes ago, TINDALOS said:

Freedom of speech always have a price, remebering 5 years of jail and ten thousand dollar fine for burning draft card? I neither believe in Putin or western propaganda, because I consider this war as the inevitable colletive result of NATO imperialist expansion since the end of coldwar and the rising Russian nationalism under the manipulation of Oligarchs since the collapse of USSR.

Also I enjoy trolling liberals who wholeheartedly believe the fairytale of a "democratic rule based world order", and thus is the best chance ever. Guess what other factor besides land price caused the democratic Japan's lost decade? Key words: "Plaza Accord"

12 minutes ago, Pardus said:

 

No, it's sad how you guys clearly are swallowing up Putin's propoganda and lies of "denazification" (esp. when he's the one actively hiring Nazis to fight for him. Read: WAGNER GROUP), and are justifying the invasion of a democratic state and the murder of innocents, and for what? So you can create a new puppet state? Thank god the western world is looking at Russia with disgust.

 

Even more sad, if you as a Russian suddenly become wiser and realize how wrong this war is, and then decide you want to demonstrate against it, you'll be arrested (and likely physically mistreated). That's the price you pay for living in a dictatorship where there is no freedom of press or speech.   

Freedom of speech always have a price, remebering 5 years of jail and ten thousand dollar fine for burning draft card? I neither believe in Putin or western propaganda, because I consider this war as the inevitable colletive result of NATO imperialist expansion since the end of coldwar and the rising Russian nationalism under the manipulation of Oligarchs since the collapse of USSR.

10 minutes ago, Toxn said:

See, I think we'll miss the concept once it's gone and we go back to the 18th or 19th centuries.

 

But goddamn was its biggest exponent also the biggest hypocrite.

It always has been, because all Empires are built on war and hate. I don't see any difference between war under the mask of peace during the last 30 years and a actual war right now. It is just that the actual war would draw more attention from the largely ignorant general public back to global affairs. Similar things (people got blown into pieces etc) literally happens every day on this Earth while no one talks about it. But when all these shit happened in two European country, westerns suddenly start to yell :"this is unacceptable". LMAO

4 minutes ago, Toxn said:

Agreed. I'm getting real "Baghdad Bob but now we're all Iraqis" vibes from all of this.

Although I'm not a fan of Putin and definitely not a fan of Assad, Xi, Lukashenko etc, I still appreciate how the whole "liberal rule based international world order" got slowly debunked and dismantled in recent years... I would like to see those Pax Americana preachers' emotion after maybe one month.

4 minutes ago, Eliz said:

Thats just show, kadirov guards are all over chechnya right now, there might be some in ukraine but most stay in chechnya. I think because of fear that rebelion will break up. 

Didn't they have a large column heading to Ukraine? Maybe a couple hundreds or thousanda of them are in Ukraine right now. It is simply impossible to move 12 thousand people from Grozny to Maripoul in one day on those shitty road.

3 hours ago, Collimatrix said:

So...

I have a question, and I don't have an answer.

Right now, in English-language "respectable" news sources, I am seeing a lot of stories of Ukrainian bravery and staunch resistance and heavy Russian losses.  I am pretty sure that some of these stories might even be true.

But who exactly is collating these stories and publishing them to English-speaking audiences?  Does Ukraine have an incredibly slick media interface to their American allies that knows exactly what buttons to push?  Or am I watching mostly American self-deception?

I am increasingly convinced it is the latter.

Well... the mod of Ukraine right now is just like the mod of Iraq in 1991, but with overwhelming western non traditional media support. The whole ghost of Kiev bs is probably the most insane mental gymnastics since gulf war... Remeber when Iraq announce victory in Khafji?

Most of the westerns on twitter simply reapond: aLt0uGh iT iS fAkE I hOpE ITs tRue....

On 2/23/2022 at 1:32 PM, Cleb said:

K1A2s of the Capital Mechanized Infantry Division and K2s of the 11th Maneuver Division during a recent joint exercise.

 

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Might be stupid question: why the panoramic sight seems significantly bigger than M1A2's CITV?

1 hour ago, Pardus said:

 

I'm coping just fine, we'll see how well the Russian people will cope as their economy heads to the dumpster....

 

But it IS sad to see the Russian people letting a maniac dictator run their beautiful country into the ground, my feelings go out to all oppressed Russians who in horror have to watch as their country is forced by Putin to assault their own kin.

 

"Moskauer Aktienmarkt steigt um 30 Prozent – Auch der Rubel legt deutlich zu", doesn't sounds like "head to dumpster" for me

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Poor History of Sanctions Success

 

"Other experts see more significant flaws in imposing sanctions. “The record of those actions is that they fail,” says Steve Hanke, professor of applied economics at Johns Hopkins University. “There are always workarounds,” meaning sanctions won’t stop the rich from getting money in or out of the country.

Indeed, Russia has been subject to sanctions for years dating back at least as far as the 2014 annexation of Crimea—and the behavior of the country has not changed in a positive way since then. As with the recently introduced penalties, the past sanctions were surgically applied to hit the elites.

Other countries have also weathered severe sanctions without improving their behavior. Hanke notes that U.S. sanctions on Venezuela haven’t pushed out the country’s authoritarian President Nicolas Maduro. Similar actions against Cuba didn’t get rid of dictator Fidel Castro. Likewise, Iran’s theocratic mullahs remain in charge despite more than four decades of harsh U.S. measures against the regime. The issue is that sanctions often prompt a country’s population to rally around the flag. “Whoever is imposing the sanctions are viewed as the enemy,” Hanke says. Put another way, a siege mentality takes over with people banding together to weather the economic storm."

And while in case for Europen-Russian economy ties...

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"All this means that while the White House might be apoplectic about Putin’s actions in Ukraine, the Russia-Europe economic entanglement may get in the way of a simple solution. “Russia wants the income and Europe can’t live without the oil and gas,” says Konstantinos Venetis, a senior economist at TS Lombard in London. Who will want to get in the way of that nominally beneficial relationship?"

Modern society ran on fossil fuel, and guess who controls the major flow of fossil fuels towards the "civilized western Europe paradise"?

The only thing sanctions would to Russia besides hearting its economy for a couple month would be pushing Russia further together with China.

1 hour ago, Pardus said:

 

I'm coping just fine, we'll see how well the Russian people will cope as their economy heads to the dumpster....

 

But it IS sad to see the Russian people letting a maniac dictator run their beautiful country into the ground, my feelings go out to all oppressed Russians who in horror have to watch as their country is forced by Putin to assault their own kin.

 

Or is it? Check out Handelsblatt's article "Russland liefert seit Kriegsausbruch mehr Gas nach Europa"

1 hour ago, Pardus said:

 

I'm coping just fine, we'll see how well the Russian people will cope as their economy heads to the dumpster....

 

But it IS sad to see the Russian people letting a maniac dictator run their beautiful country into the ground, my feelings go out to all oppressed Russians who in horror have to watch as their country is forced by Putin to assault their own kin.

 

Meanwhile Europe can also enjoy the breeze and pay a significantly higher price for US natural gas, guess I will call it a winwin for Americans?

1 hour ago, Pardus said:

Hopefully Russias invasion bogs down, becomes extremely costly, and the troops slowly realize invading and waging an aggressive war against an indepedent nation in the 21st century is absolutely insane.

Cope.

7 minutes ago, LoooSeR said:

Fuck him, another youtuber trash.

I literally can't believe that he just keep selling those related merchandise after the debunk.... Good lord...

I just don't understand, why Ukrainians and some westerners on twitter would make up BS like the Ghost of Kiev, that's literally the worst propaganda fantasy ever created since Iran-Iraq war. And now even after it was debunked they still call it as "honestly be just as good" and keep selling those shitty merch.... 

https://twitter.com/Sc0ttishKoala/status/1497082025651871744?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

@LoooSeR

On 1/3/2022 at 1:24 PM, DeXM said:

I'm not sure but could these documents be related with ZTZ98 armor packages?

https://www.doc88.com/p-9793516939542.html

https://www.doc88.com/p-7374950723088.html

nope

21 hours ago, terror51247 said:

When did those phase 2 apfsds enter service?
Is it made of DU or Tungsten?

Designed in late 90s and entered service in early 00s while available for export in 10s I believe, it is made of Tungsten just like every other Chinese apfsds.

On 11/8/2021 at 4:41 PM, Guest Lix said:

 

 

Then there is the Chinese DTW-125 APFSDS which is also known as the BTA4. (125-II 'Phase 2' round)

In Chinese strict criteria against pretty high BHN armour at 80% criteria... the rated penetration is

220mm @ 2000m (68.5 degrees) -- 600mm LOS

 

[On the left hand side you can see the DTW-125 projectile with fins and behind it you can see cut view inside its case]

 

 

Under the green cap we can see the frustum area (still a penetrator)

 

In terms of the internal dimensions this is what I've managed to gather.

Penetrator Length: 600mm
Penetrator Diameter: 22mm
Frustum Length: 46mm
Frustum Diameter: 15mm
Density: 17500kg/m3
Penetrator Mass: 3.9kg (Estimated)
Muzzle Velocity: 1740m/s
Velocity at 2000m: 1640m/s

 

In the same criteria (50% vs 260BHN) - The DTW-125 has a penetration of 620mm (LOS/60) @ 2000m

 

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Last but not least... 125-III (Phase 3 Round) which is only compatible to the ZTZ99A.

 

Its officially called DTC10-125 APFSDS and has muzzle velocity of 1800m/s.

 

 

On the left its the DTW-125 and on the right we have the DTC10-125. Youll quickly notice that the projectiles look identical, but there are differences. The Chinese scraped every last millimetre of penetration from their 125mm gun and the projectile length.

 

- DTC10-125 penetrator starts from the very top (unlike DTW-125 which has a ballistic cap and a tip)

- DTC10-125 is a Depleted Uranium Rod compared to DTW-125 being Heavy Tungsten Alloy.

- DTC10-125 uses a different improved propellent which allows the heavier projectile (compared to DTW-125) to still achieve superior muzzle velocity compared to the DTW-125.

- It makes DTC10-125 roughly a 635-640mm penetrator x 22mm DU penetrator rod with 1800m/s muzzle velocity.

 

and that 1800m/s velocity has a pre-condition: been fired from a L54 125mm gun. As far as I know, that gun was only tested on ZTZ-99 but never entered service due to reduction on accuracy and issue in quality control.

On 11/8/2021 at 4:41 PM, Guest Lix said:

 

 

Then there is the Chinese DTW-125 APFSDS which is also known as the BTA4. (125-II 'Phase 2' round)

In Chinese strict criteria against pretty high BHN armour at 80% criteria... the rated penetration is

220mm @ 2000m (68.5 degrees) -- 600mm LOS

 

[On the left hand side you can see the DTW-125 projectile with fins and behind it you can see cut view inside its case]

 

 

Under the green cap we can see the frustum area (still a penetrator)

 

In terms of the internal dimensions this is what I've managed to gather.

Penetrator Length: 600mm
Penetrator Diameter: 22mm
Frustum Length: 46mm
Frustum Diameter: 15mm
Density: 17500kg/m3
Penetrator Mass: 3.9kg (Estimated)
Muzzle Velocity: 1740m/s
Velocity at 2000m: 1640m/s

 

In the same criteria (50% vs 260BHN) - The DTW-125 has a penetration of 620mm (LOS/60) @ 2000m

 

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Last but not least... 125-III (Phase 3 Round) which is only compatible to the ZTZ99A.

 

Its officially called DTC10-125 APFSDS and has muzzle velocity of 1800m/s.

 

 

On the left its the DTW-125 and on the right we have the DTC10-125. Youll quickly notice that the projectiles look identical, but there are differences. The Chinese scraped every last millimetre of penetration from their 125mm gun and the projectile length.

 

- DTC10-125 penetrator starts from the very top (unlike DTW-125 which has a ballistic cap and a tip)

- DTC10-125 is a Depleted Uranium Rod compared to DTW-125 being Heavy Tungsten Alloy.

- DTC10-125 uses a different improved propellent which allows the heavier projectile (compared to DTW-125) to still achieve superior muzzle velocity compared to the DTW-125.

- It makes DTC10-125 roughly a 635-640mm penetrator x 22mm DU penetrator rod with 1800m/s muzzle velocity.

 

DTC-10/125 never utilize a du penetrator, just like every other Chinese sabot

More photo of ZTZ-99 prototype took in late 90s and early 2000s, stolen from weibo

A prototype tech demonstrator of ZTZ-99 and a T-72 parked side by side, photo is taken at some random military garage in Daqingshan, Inner Mongolia (near the Baotou Tank Factory)

ST-3 105mm Wheeled Assault Gun. Basically a ST-1 with... indirect fire capacity.

DTW2 105mm APFSDS (Chinese phase two 105mm APFSDS) manual, stolen from Weibo

Initial Velocity (under 15 degree celcius): 1530m/s

Direct Fire Distance (against a 2 meter high target): 1884m

Dispersion (with in 1000m): 0.2m x 0.2m

Penertration (at 2000m under V90): 150mm/71°, 460mm/0°

Full length: 1066mm

Full weight: 18.8kg

"high speed intelligent mockup target" for ground troops presented at this year's Zhuhai Airshow

Hmmm, clearly an Abrams

5 hours ago, DeXM said:

 

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Perhaps I'm looking for not where it is necessary (still not used to SH), but on the SH is Molota_477?

 

Yep

7 hours ago, DeXM said:

It seems that I will need to try to contact the object-477. Is it possible to contact him? Perhaps he has documentary evidence? I have a full version, just cut out this paragraph to do more clearly.

 

Are there any documentary confirmation? Just in all sources that I found about CH1000 (99A) it was argued that the gear of the reverse - 3, but for some serious documentary evidence, I did not find it (and I'm not sure if they were in public domain)






P.S. Sorry, I forgot to place link to the video

From 12:20

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https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Bx411U7Rb?from=search&seid=13623024917729722335

 

Nope, it is from the memory of some former tankers, so take it with a grain of salt I guess? Object 477 is on SH, you can contact him directly.