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8 hours ago, DeXM said:
Are there any perspective APFSDS development processes?
Also found video from VT, but on the moment when the car begins to take back, the frame shifts on the militaryAlso found video from W, but, alas, on the moment when the car begins to take back, the frame shifts on the military
I found some comparison for BM Oplot and VT-4.
It says about CH1000B transmisson.
Previosly, I saw some photos
So, it says about CH1000B too.
Is it possible that the difference between the CH1000 (99a) from the CH1000B (vT4) is that on 99A (presumably, since I still did not find documentary evidence or video with a demonstration) - three reverse speeds transmission, unlike two at VT?
And I'd like to clarify if theres full video of this screenshot?
P.S. And I found original, 12:20, It's clearly seen
So from what I know, CH1000 and CH1000B all have the same number of reverse gears, the difference is that CH1000 requires manual gear shifting while CH1000B has an more advanced automatic gear shifting.
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8 hours ago, DeXM said:
Are there any perspective APFSDS development processes?
Also found video from VT, but on the moment when the car begins to take back, the frame shifts on the militaryAlso found video from W, but, alas, on the moment when the car begins to take back, the frame shifts on the military
I found some comparison for BM Oplot and VT-4.
It says about CH1000B transmisson.
Previosly, I saw some photos
So, it says about CH1000B too.
Is it possible that the difference between the CH1000 (99a) from the CH1000B (vT4) is that on 99A (presumably, since I still did not find documentary evidence or video with a demonstration) - three reverse speeds transmission, unlike two at VT?
And I'd like to clarify if theres full video of this screenshot?
P.S. And I found original, 12:20, It's clearly seen
Sorry I don't know much about transmission. The comparison graph you posted is from Object 477, I can upload the full graph if you want.
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19 hours ago, DeXM said:
All variant of 96 and 99 still retains that old autoloader, DTC-10-125 is the best thing they can get with the projectile length limitation.
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12 hours ago, SuperComrade said:
I wonder if the Chinese intend to transition towards bustle-style autoloaders like the West or are they satisfied with the carousel autoloaders?
For now, it is bustle for 15 (with a 105 gun) and carousel for 96/99. In the near future? Probably something similar to the T-14, umanned turret plus carousel I guess.
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3 hours ago, DeXM said:
I saw photos, and even video with DTC10-125.
In my opinion, the projectile is very powerful. If these "measurements" are correct, then, at the initial speed of 1780-1800 meters per second, this shell can already exceed 3BM60 (with its initial flight speed of 1660 meters). So we may expect at least 300mm+/60
yes, official data is 680mm RHA pen. And also, DTC-10-125 does not have a ballistic cap (similar to DM53 and M829A3/4)
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2 hours ago, DeXM said:
I try to "filter" the information as much as my current awareness level allows.
I will give an example with a transmission: Yes, I found mention that 99a - three reversing transmission (what I wrote earlier), however, I did not find full-fledged documentary evidence (or I simply did not find the place where This could be done, due to the fact that I still can not fully read in Chinese). Therefore, you have to collect the information "on the grains".
P. S. wanted to ask what is the real limit on the length of the UPFSD used for autoloaders 99 and 99a? 740mm from after refinement, as on Soviet and Russian tanks, or will it be the opportunity to use the APFSDS even greater elongation? Also, I would like to ask if there are information about future projectiles that should replace the APFSDS Phase 3 (DTC10-125)?PS: Which means that DTC-10-125 is probably a little bit inferior when comparing its performance with DM53 and 3BM59, while fanboys on weibo, tieba, and other Chinese social medias and forums just brainlessly repeat: "it can penetrate 1000mm of RHA" again and again....
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1 hour ago, DeXM said:
I try to "filter" the information as much as my current awareness level allows.
I will give an example with a transmission: Yes, I found mention that 99a - three reversing transmission (what I wrote earlier), however, I did not find full-fledged documentary evidence (or I simply did not find the place where This could be done, due to the fact that I still can not fully read in Chinese). Therefore, you have to collect the information "on the grains".
P. S. wanted to ask what is the real limit on the length of the UPFSD used for autoloaders 99 and 99a? 740mm from after refinement, as on Soviet and Russian tanks, or will it be the opportunity to use the APFSDS even greater elongation? Also, I would like to ask if there are information about future projectiles that should replace the APFSDS Phase 3 (DTC10-125)?For auto loaders, I'm afraid that 96 and 99 all have the same autoloader (at least dimension wise) because there are photos showing even the oldest 96 tank can still use the 125mm sabot phase 3. From a photo wich phase 2 and phase 3 been placed side by side we can see that 125mm sabot phase 3 don't have a significant improvement over phase 2 regarding their similar dimension, also from the official source we know that phase 3's penertration is 680mm around 2km at a initial speed of 1800m/s...
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Here is 15's turret without composite armor module:
For comparison, here is 99A's turret with out composite armor module
You can clearly see that 15 has a pretty pathetic armor, mainly due to the fact that it is not deigned to engage tanks such as T-90S.
The amour (composite plus era) was intended to defeat hand held anti tank weapons and medium caliber auto cannon rounds.
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On 6/16/2021 at 3:30 AM, DeXM said:
Found it on one of the links in Baidu. The author of the message provided this clipping, may be from here:
However, I'm not sure I haven't seen this same clipping in other sources.In general, some Chinese weibo blogger such as Monochromelody (he is on SH), object 477 (he is also on SH), and 风味磁能原理样机 are well informed and have some quality information regarding Chinese and Russian AFVs. The rest of Chinese internet is just a huge garbage landfill filled with Chinese nationalists fanboy who tirelessly boasting about their "invincible wunderwaffe" and can't take any critics. They are... furious and ignorant for most of the time. Why did I know? Because I am a Chinese myself.
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13 hours ago, DeXM said:
Thank you.
In general, I wanted to know if there are any details on this photo? Seemingly testing 125mm APFSDS. It's about 854mm LOS, which means 427mm/60, so it's getting closer to 829A3/A4 level, but I don't have more detailed information (and I'm not even sure if it was about 125mm)
..That was from HJ10 NLOS-ATGM
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On 9/4/2019 at 2:32 PM, Militarysta said:
OK, so Poland is sending LOR for 60 Javelin FGM-147F/G CLU and 180 missailes as first bath.
Javeli will go to Terytorial Forces not Armed Forces. Whole need is ca.255 Javelin CLU and 1,5k missailes + other ATGM.
All is based here:
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wojska_Obrony_Terytorialnej
Right now Terytorial Forces had 17 brigades till december 2019.
In eacht brigade we have: 5 infanty bde, and independent support company. In theory finall modell will look like this:
Terytorial Forces Infanty Bde: all :18 ATGM's
1st inf reg in support platoon - 3x ATGM Javelin
2th inf reg in support platoon - 3x ATGM Javelin
3th inf reg in support platoon - 3x ATGM Javelin
4th inf reg in support platoon - 3x ATGM Javelin
5th inf reg in support platoon - 3x ATGM Javelin
1st independent support platoon - 3x Spike ATGM
So whole terytorial forces need at least 255 Javelin ATGM and 51 Spike LR ATGM. Till now this 60 CLU and 180 missiles will be placed "temporary" on level "independent support platoon" but finall modell is like above.
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Other news in case ATGM in Poland:
Polish WITU is developing "Mosqito" ATGM system - it will be ready in 2022 whit unit cost (ATGM) ca 75k $. 80% components is producet in Poland.
And from the other side - Telesystem-Mesko is ending "The Pirate" system so laser guided ATGM:
Whit very interesting "APSproof" laser guidence system.
That MAKIFTA looks pretty similar to a Ukrainian RK-3 Corsar ATGM
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On 6/15/2021 at 6:05 PM, DeXM said:
Hello,
for some time I have been looking for information about the protection, transmission and the ZTZ99A engine, but, unfortunately, I have just started learning Chinese, so it is rather difficult for me to search for information in Chinese sources.
As far as I could understand, the engine-transmission part of the ZTZ99A consists, in fact, of two components: the 150HB-2 engine and the CH-1000 transmission unit?
For example, the question of the number of forward and reverse gears, as well as the maximum reverse speed, is still not clear? In particular, I found references to the presence of 3 (?) Reverse gears?
I have also come across some statements that the maximum speed when reversing can be in the range of 20-40 + km / h (40+ looks somewhat doubtful, but at 30 on R2 I am ready to believe)
Also, the operating modes remain unclear, at the moment, I assume that R provides a "safe" reverse gear for transportation (about 5-7 km / h, while R2 connection gives a "full" speed)
Or about a scheme similar to the Leopard, since, as far as I understand, when developing ZTZ99A, Chinese engineers looked at German MTU engines?yes the Chinese do looked at the German MTU. At first (in the 80s) when ZTZ-99 was still under intense development they even considered AGT-1500, but for the reason we all knew AGT-1500 didn't become the egine of this chinese tank.
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3 hours ago, LoooSeR said:
What features makes VT-4P better than ZTZ-99A?
also it has an electromechanical stablizer similar to 2E58, while ZTZ-99A still uses a hydroelectrical stablizer
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3 hours ago, LoooSeR said:
What features makes VT-4P better than ZTZ-99A?
Ps: it is also lighter than ZTZ99A, while achieve the same protection level (if the mounted ERA is FY-4)
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3 hours ago, LoooSeR said:
What features makes VT-4P better than ZTZ-99A?
better turret armour layout, better era coverage, lower frontal profile (probably), a RCWS slaved to panoramic sight, modular design (customer can choose which ERA, which engine, and which gun they wnat to install regarding their financial status), and also it looks much more cooler that ZTZ-99A
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On 5/24/2021 at 9:44 PM, HAKI2019 said:
ZTZ-99A is bigger than west tank like K2 and type 10,may be taller than abrams and leopard 2.It is not a really compact tank.Which makes it lighter than M1A2 and leopard 2A6/7 are smaller powerpack and weaker side armour.
The poor protection of both turret and hull side is the really problem,i think it is a compromise for weight .
When ZTZ-99A came into service in 2010s, it was a nice tank for PLA,but now it needs MLU.
Didn't all Asian 3rd generation tanks have thin side armour?
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On 5/24/2021 at 9:44 PM, HAKI2019 said:
ZTZ-99A is bigger than west tank like K2 and type 10,may be taller than abrams and leopard 2.It is not a really compact tank.Which makes it lighter than M1A2 and leopard 2A6/7 are smaller powerpack and weaker side armour.
The poor protection of both turret and hull side is the really problem,i think it is a compromise for weight .
When ZTZ-99A came into service in 2010s, it was a nice tank for PLA,but now it needs MLU.
Yes, that is mainly the PLA's issue (they actually want that turret because it looks "cooler", however there are not much of an improvement in protection values between this new turret and ZTZ-99's old turret), not the designers'. The huge turret of ZTZ-99A has been actively criticize for years in China. Also, technically speaking, ZTZ-99A itself can be considered as a MLU of ZTZ-99. Today, the most advanced main battle tank in China is VT-4P (Pakistan variant) instead of ZTZ-99A.
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On 4/15/2021 at 10:32 PM, LoooSeR said:
And i though situation with our IFVs was bad regarding FCS and sights.
I mean... Russia managed to get 3rd generation thermal imager (Catherine XP) into production and installed on their tank (T-72B1MS's commander sight), while Chinese tank is still using 2nd generation thermal imager... For wepaon stablizers, the current Chinese one installed on tanks is a hyrdoelectrical stablizer similar to 2E42-4, while Russia already managed to produce 2E58 electromechanical stablizer and install them on T-90M (I might be wrong). For fire power, Gen 2 and Gen 3 Chinese 125mm sabot's performances are largely similar to 3BM59. Imo, the advantage of Chinese tanks is their built-in C4I capability.
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Here is a photo of 99A prototype (the official name for this prototype is WZ123B) in 00s. It was based on a ZTZ-99's chassis while have a brand new fully welded turret (which eventually became the production model's turret) and new 125/L52 main gun (this experimental variant of long barrel 125 gun never went into actual production because there are some issues regarding its barrel life and quality control).
https://ibb.co/MRWZgGN