Belesarius Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 AK-5C Sturgeon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Those are huge, heavy guns for the caliber they're in, even with a barrel that short. They sure do look cool, though, especially with 40 round mags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Those are huge, heavy guns for the caliber they're in, even with a barrel that short. They sure do look cool, though, especially with 40 round mags. Heavier than the IAR variant of the 416. oO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Heavier than the IAR variant of the 416. oO With a much lighter barrel, and that tells you something! I've handled an FNC, they are enormous for a 5.56mm rifle. They've got decently lightweight construction, that's just totally subverted by them being huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Speaking about DMRs. SIG's CSASS ? Azerbaijan hates how SVD looks. Chechen spetsnaz team "Terek". What that second rifle is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collimatrix Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Looks similar to a Remington MSR, but with a different handguard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Spectre SMG. I had a fanboy reaction to this one. First exposure to it was in the old pulp military fiction novels from the late 80s early 90s. Able Team/Mack Bolan and a couple of others. But they often had data files on weapons used in the books in the back. Saw a picture of this there, and got interested in it. Known for coming with a 50 round casket mag. I think it's kinda neat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donward Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 That certainly looks like a weapon that would be carried by an anonymous henchman standing around in the background of a super villain's top secret lair. It's the sort of gun that says "I'm wearing a bright blue contractors helmet and silver coveralls but I'm not supposed to look directly at the camera while I shuffle around in front of this forklift". It's the sort of gun that is so imposing, a guy with a toupee and tuxedo armed only with a .32 caliber pistol can shoot me from the distance of most cricket pitches while I spray the Spectre sub-machine gun futilely from the hip causing sparks to fly from the sheet metal siding the hero is hiding behind. It's the sort of weapon that the aforementioned hero wouldn't even deign to pick up as he escorts the buxom love interest through the hanger vault of the top secret lair while he attempts to track down the aforementioned super villain, before an elaborate countdown sequence blows up a recognizable World Heritage Site with a stolen nuclear device. Cool find though! Belesarius, Xlucine, That_Baka and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.E. Watters Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 The DA stroke on the semi-auto Spectre was impossible from the sole example I handled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collimatrix Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 I've field-stripped a spectre, and I was surprised at how crude it was. Dunno how functional they are, but they're sure not pretty. The magazine design is fucking rad. Belesarius and That_Baka 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 A classic - Larry Vickers adorably 'booing out over the MP-44: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donward Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 That video is a classic for all the mistakes - which is most of the clip. Not that the Sturmgewehr isn't an OK weapon, it was retained postwar by various Warsaw Pact countries. But I'm wondering if ol' Hitler might have been right after all by initially spiking the design given the concerns with ammo. And did we ever find any after action reports where the MP-44 was a deciding factor in anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Larry's a gun guy, which is uncommon among his kind. So far as I know, he doesn't say anything that's blatantly wrong in the video, but he's definitely playing the gun up. That's not the producers or anything, either; Larry is a huge MP-44 fanboy (two of them crossed are used in his company's logo).So while Larry and I would definitely find us having a cordial disagreement on the MP-44 if we ever met, that's neither uncommon among gun people, nor is it something that impugns his character in my eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Menacing, sleek, futuristic design! And I don't recall that they made enough of them to be the standard weapon. Edit: 400kish made, along with 400k G/K 43s... Ok... I was off on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Stealing from our glorious forum leader's latest blog post, a pic of the VHS-2. Croatian assault rifle. I think it looks neat. Be interesting to see performance/test data from the French competition and see how it performs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Menacing, sleek, futuristic design! And I don't recall that they made enough of them to be the standard weapon. Edit: 400kish made, along with 400k G/K 43s... Ok... I was off on that. The production numbers for the MP-44 are not the problem I have with giving it the title of "first successful assault rifle", it's the ammunition and magazine production. It was pretty rare that enough ammunition and magazines reached the soldiers on the front lines to fully realize the concept in action. Collimatrix has the book on this, and I welcome his contribution in clarifying this statement of mine. Having said that, the MP-44 clearly did crack the code of mass production of the rifles themselves (though by today's standards its stamping operations are maddeningly complex, it was still cheap for the period). Strictly speaking, it may not have been the first assault rifle design built around expeditious mass production, but it was the first to actually achieve the numbers. I haven't written anything on this exact subject yet, but I do consider advanced mass production techniques to be a key ingredient in the assault rifle concept. The ideal assault rifle not only marries the range and striking power of the bolt-action rifle with the automatic fire mode and handiness of the submachine gun, it also strikes a new balance between being sophisticated enough to be capable yet lightweight weapon like the bolt action rifle and being cheap and quick to produce with a minimum of man-hours like a submachine gun. In this, the MP-44 is definitely a success. So between these two considerations, can we call the MP-44 successful? Well, I think yes and no. It was never going to be the war-winning tool some feel it could have been; there simply wasn't the support for it. However, as a byproduct of the Nazi regime, it absolutely paved the way for Eastern and Anglo-Belgian developments in the area, though the Americans would reject the rifle as being nothing more than a glorified submachine gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donward Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Any numbers on the man hours to produce a Mauser 98 vs a MP-44? Bolt action rifles are pretty basic, especially if you are using machines already built. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Any numbers on the man hours to produce a Mauser 98 vs a MP-44? Bolt action rifles are pretty basic, especially if you are using machines already built. That's a colli question, though I could probably look it up if I weren't busy at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donward Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 No rush. Just making conversation. Do important stuff. I'm guessing there was a logical incentive to keep churning out Msusers. Or a bat-shit crazy Nazi corporate greed reason coupled with incompetence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Americans were still building new Springfields until 44. So... Yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 When it came to rifles, the US really was stuck in the past. However, they would leapfrog everybody later in the 1960s. Belesarius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 When it came to rifles, the US really was stuck in the past. However, they would leapfrog everybody later in the 1960s. Heck, the Lee Enfield was being manufactured until 56. Manufacture of the L1A1 started in 57... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 SVT moded to be automatic carabine... Vietnam, AFAIK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 2 FAMAS, Weird bullpup AK clone, chinese bullpup (busted up), can't figure the top two... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 2 FAMAS, Weird bullpup AK clone, chinese bullpup (busted up), can't figure the top two... Those are VHS-2 ~prototypes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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