LoooSeR Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 Stolen from otvaga Spoiler Zyklon and Marsh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 Quite a lot of information is being released lately about numerous Israeli AFV projects, mainly the Merkava. Instead of cluttering this thread like I did in AW forums, I've decided to just link the article here: http://zuk-armor-il.blogspot.co.il/2017/05/may-update-barak-mbt-and-atmos-sph.html More info coming in (already linked in my blog post): http://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/node/29642 http://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/node/29614 http://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/node/29649 Belesarius and Collimatrix 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 http://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/node/29665 Carmel technology demonstrator first illustration. Feasibility tests to begin in 2019, and operational in 2027. Belesarius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 2 random photos of Merkava 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter_Sobchak Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 15 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said: http://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/node/29665 Carmel technology demonstrator first illustration. Feasibility tests to begin in 2019, and operational in 2027. Whats the deal with the windows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Walter_Sobchak said: Whats the deal with the windows? In this screenshot it doesn't have optics on top of the hull I have 2T Stalker vibes from this vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Xoon Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 57 minutes ago, LoooSeR said: So, this rendering is practically useless to get any information on the new AFV? Does not look like the 3D artist knew anything about AFVs. Did he place the turret above the engine? Where are the exhausts? Is the tank cramped, or is the angle just weird on that soldier? Is the tank small with tiny tracks, or huge with normal size tracks? Where are the hatches? Not really sure what the point of this 3D model is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 Yeah, this is not a good render, looks like something out of Ground Control 2 Did they hired some deviantart member to do that 3D model? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 5 hours ago, Walter_Sobchak said: Whats the deal with the windows? Periscopes, and they're backup for when the HMDS fails. Because the Carmel in its main version is meant to be better optimized for urban warfare, which is increasingly getting dominant by the day, it needs a wider view angle. But I think they'll just ditch the periscopes and keep the vehicle's top sealed to maintain a high level of top protection. 1 hour ago, Xoon said: So, this rendering is practically useless to get any information on the new AFV? Does not look like the 3D artist knew anything about AFVs. Did he place the turret above the engine? Where are the exhausts? Is the tank cramped, or is the angle just weird on that soldier? Is the tank small with tiny tracks, or huge with normal size tracks? Where are the hatches? Not really sure what the point of this 3D model is. The engine will be up-front as far as I understand. The turret will supposedly be above the crew capsule (3-man capsule but crew of 2). The exhausts should be at the front. It will be smaller than a Merkava 4 for sure, but not cramped. Its crew capsule will actually be very spacious, with a room for 1 extra person. I believe the angle is just off, because it's a computer simulation. So scaling might be half-assed. Hatches don't exist on this vehicle because it's believed that hatches prevent consistency of the armor, and will be a weakspot. So crew exit and entrance will be from the rear, I assume. I just don't know why they haven't drawn a door on it. Probably just a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 General characteristics for the Carmel vehicle: -Halving the weight relative to current vehicles. The goal is 35 tons without compromising protection. A lighter platform will better navigate inside tight urban areas. -Automatic identification, jamming, and destruction capability for every direct threat on a tank (except kinetic). -Increased protection, and significant reduction in the vehicle's signature (visual, thermal, noise etc). -Real time communication between all surrounding vehicles and units, and ad-hoc communication network for sharing targets. -More advanced weaponry and ammunition than those currently existing. Hinted non-conventional guns. -Advanced materials and transparent armor. -Hybrid drive, smart energy management systems. -Universal platform. -Cyber protection for the communication and computerized systems inside the vehicle. -Protected crew capsule with 3-person capacity. -2 man crew. Third being a platoon or company commander with equipment to control unmanned assets. -Dual controls for all crewmen to allow replacement of a crewman without leaving one's station. -Medium caliber armament of unspecified type. Likely above 30mm and around 40-60mm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xoon Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 4 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said: Periscopes, and they're backup for when the HMDS fails. Because the Carmel in its main version is meant to be better optimized for urban warfare, which is increasingly getting dominant by the day, it needs a wider view angle. But I think they'll just ditch the periscopes and keep the vehicle's top sealed to maintain a high level of top protection. The engine will be up-front as far as I understand. The turret will supposedly be above the crew capsule (3-man capsule but crew of 2). The exhausts should be at the front. It will be smaller than a Merkava 4 for sure, but not cramped. Its crew capsule will actually be very spacious, with a room for 1 extra person. I believe the angle is just off, because it's a computer simulation. So scaling might be half-assed. Hatches don't exist on this vehicle because it's believed that hatches prevent consistency of the armor, and will be a weakspot. So crew exit and entrance will be from the rear, I assume. I just don't know why they haven't drawn a door on it. Probably just a mistake. So, the tank will have a exhaust out the side like the Merkava? And I guess the step is where to thick roof armor begins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 8 minutes ago, Xoon said: So, the tank will have a exhaust out the side like the Merkava? And I guess the step is where to thick roof armor begins? The exhaust might be stretched to the back to lower thermal signature, or directed at the ground and is hidden behind the side skirts. Maybe that's where it begins, and maybe the UFP will also act as additional roof armor against top attack missiles that always come down at an angle. To be fair, I have no idea what these pairs of squares (on CEV, recon, and laser AD vehicles) on the front are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted May 21, 2017 Report Share Posted May 21, 2017 Forgot to add the summarized bit on the ATMOS (howitzer): (copied from blog) 1)The new howitzer will have autonomous engagement as well as fully autonomous loading. A crew of just 1 person is required, as loaders and gunners aren't necessary. The turret will remain entirely unmanned.2)Crew of 3 or up to 6 may be kept nonetheless if the IDF deems it more appropriate.3)Each gun will be an independent fire unit rather than each battery. Fire could be directed via a remote Fire Control Center.4)Testing will continue until the end of summer 2017.5)Yet unknown whether it will be mounted on wheeled or tracked chassis. They say it won't affect the vehicle's firepower.6)A new precision fire fuze has been integrated to allow cannon artillery a cheap precision fire capability. This would add up to 3 different arrays within the artillery corps to have precision fire capabilities. The fuze is made by IAI and dubbed "TopGun".7)An artificial 8RPM limitation is in place as per requirements, but can be removed if there is sufficient ammunition.8)The vehicle's computers will be able to select the appropriate shell, fuze, and charge (modular charges) according to the mission without any human input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 Something that appeared briefly in the conference to which I linked in numerous posts, is the export policy of the Merkava. Export to gulf states was impossible due to political issues. Export to Africa and South America was impossible because these were not ready for high-end products. Asia-Pacific remains the best potential market but limited in number of potential customers. And the best bit; Europe wasn't even considered. Yep. Aside from Turkey of course. But it seems the Merkava was never even marketed to Europe in fear of tensions with Russia, and instead only portions of the tank (sights, FCS, ammunition etc) were sold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xoon Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 3 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said: Something that appeared briefly in the conference to which I linked in numerous posts, is the export policy of the Merkava. Export to gulf states was impossible due to political issues. Export to Africa and South America was impossible because these were not ready for high-end products. Asia-Pacific remains the best potential market but limited in number of potential customers. And the best bit; Europe wasn't even considered. Yep. Aside from Turkey of course. But it seems the Merkava was never even marketed to Europe in fear of tensions with Russia, and instead only portions of the tank (sights, FCS, ammunition etc) were sold. How come Sweden was offered the Merkava 3? Source: http://www.ointres.se/projekt_stridsvagn_ny.htm SH_MM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scolopax Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 Challenger 2 with Leo 2 turret sounds interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 10 hours ago, Xoon said: How come Sweden was offered the Merkava 3? Source: http://www.ointres.se/projekt_stridsvagn_ny.htm I should have been more specific. The interview was specifically about the Merkava 4. Not 3. But it is interesting that the Merkava 4 was the first to be cleared for export, if we trust publicly released information, but on at least numerous occasions the earlier Mark 3 was already offered before the Mark 4 entered service in noticeable numbers. I did not know however that Sweden was among the countries who were offered the Merkava 3. Sweden's and Israel's tank development bureaus had good relations, I assume, which might explain some of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 Lewd picture of a Mark 3. You can see the naked turret side. I thought it was completely flat like the Mark 4 but I guess I was wrong. Met749 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SH_MM Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 35 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said: Lewd picture of a Mark 3. You can see the naked turret side. I thought it was completely flat like the Mark 4 but I guess I was wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 Yep, I have that picture saved from a very long time ago but I forgot about that part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Claimed to be newer version of Namer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Namer CEV is already in service. That's not new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Merk 3s with observation system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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