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FORMATOSE

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  1. Tank You
    FORMATOSE reacted to Renegade334 in Tanks guns and ammunition.   
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    FORMATOSE got a reaction from Jeeps_Guns_Tanks in Britons are in trouble   
    A bit of humor :
     

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    FORMATOSE reacted to Serge in StuG III Thread (and also other German vehicles I guess)   
    The best ever coaxial weapon. 
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    FORMATOSE reacted to SH_MM in StuG III Thread (and also other German vehicles I guess)   
    A photo from a damaged PzH 2000, showing the roof add-on armor
     

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    FORMATOSE reacted to Renegade334 in United States Military Vehicle General: Guns, G*vins, and Gas Turbines   
    A rare picture: an overhead shot of the M1 Thumper, used to test the XM291 ATAC gun (sometimes referred to as LW120) in conjunction with the XM91 cassette autoloader.
     

     
    The Thumper, which was built out of a M1A1 at Anniston Depot, used a 120mm XM291 in three different barrel lengths, one 265in/6.75m long (the standard, "long tube" XM291), a second one cut the same length as the M256 ("short tube", 5.3m) and a third, intermediary one ("medium tube") that stands somewhere between 6.75m and 5.3m.

    On-the-move test fires done at speeds of 10, 15 and 20mph showed that the target impact dispersion (TID) was bigger (read: lower accuracy) with the "long tube" XM291 compared to the "short tube" or EVEN the M256, which was problematic. To support the increased barrel length, Benét Labs also had to create a 415lbs and 22in-long extension for the gun cradle...which was later reused in the proposed installation of a XM360E1 inside the notional M1A3...and, quite likely, inside the M1 AbramsX demonstrator showcased at AUSA 2022.
     
     
     
    The 1988 M1 Thumper was only fitted with the 120mm ATAC gun, but the XM291 installed on the 1993 M1 CATTB, on the other hand, went on to trial a 120mm and a 140mm barrel. At one point, the ATAC prototype pool was noted to have successfully fired 1,300 rounds, 150 of which were of the 140mm variety. The latter (at least the KE part) was even judged capable of defeating the armor of what was tentatively described as the FST-3 (Future Soviet Tank 3, essentially a Obj.477/477A); there are no known numbers for the 140mm XM964's performance, but the 140mm ATAC itself was expected to produce a great maximum of 25MJ of muzzle energy. The ammunition for the ATAC was developed by Valentec International and Hercules.
     
     
     
    While the Thumper was originally meant to trial the 120mm ATAC, some of the official literature indicates it may have also undergone the 120-to-140mm tube conversion and done static test firings at Aberdeen Proving Grounds, where it showed precision equal to a M1A1 but "with greater penetration".
     

    >> Source document for the two above scans <<
     
    Also, a common mistake (one I've also been guilty of, mea culpa) I often see around in forums and milblogs is that the Thumper is a derivative of the CATTB, which is false, as the Thumper (AKA the ATAC Demonstration System) predates the CATTB Phase I by at least five years.
     
    M1 CATTB Phase I (using a M1 hull as basis), in 93/94, about to be shipped to Aberdeen Proving Grounds for testing:
     

     
    Picture of the CATTB Phase II (ATTD?) hull under construction, completed in 1994. Note the closed back with no exhaust grille, the absence of apertures for torsion bars (replaced by a hydro-pneumatic suspension system) and the smaller engine compartment designed to receive a Cummins XAV-1000 AIPS instead of a Honeywell AGT-1500. The freed-up volume between the XAV and the turret basket was reclaimed to accept two vertically-stacked non-ready cassettes housing a total of 22 rounds (either single-piece 120mm or two-piece 140mm), which would have given the CATTB Phase II a maximum loadout of 39 rounds (either 120mm or 140mm), just five less than a M1A2. The huge tradeoff, of course, was that all this made the CATTB massively overweight.
     

     
    Apparently, at least one of the two CATTB testbeds is currently sitting at the Sierra Army Depot in Herlong, California, but one has to wonder if it's not a case of mistaken identity; the Thumper was, after all, spotted in 2010/09/30, in Ohio, as it was being relocated by train to parts unknown. Here's to hoping any of these big bois shall make their way to a museum one day, as did the TTB, the Crusader and many others before them.
     
    XM291 ATAC with its 17-round Benét Labs XM91 bustle autoloader:
     

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    FORMATOSE reacted to SH_MM in United States Military Vehicle General: Guns, G*vins, and Gas Turbines   
    According to a German defence journalists, the autoloader holds only 19 rounds.
  8. Tank You
    FORMATOSE reacted to Alzoc in Main Ground Combat System (MGCS) and Euro Main Battle Tank (EMBT)   
    Video of the new version of the EMBT presented at Eurosatory 2022 :
     
     
    Lifted turret with the turret basket visible and some slow rolling (no shooting though).
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    FORMATOSE reacted to LoooSeR in GLORIOUS T-14 ARMATA PICTURES.   
    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5534745
    Incredible.
     

  10. Funny
    FORMATOSE reacted to Gun Ready in Tanks guns and ammunition.   
    Is that photo out of a "Bundeswehr" video?! Or where is the marker in the right lower corner coming from?
  11. Tank You
    FORMATOSE got a reaction from Laviduce in Tanks guns and ammunition.   
    Early French 120 mm smoothbore APFSDS prototypes, the dates on the cartridges show the years 1976 and 1977. They are related to the AMX-30 valorisé program (related to AMX-32 development).
     
    Source : The Tank Magazine, December 1978
     

     

     
    This can be linked to the gradual evolution of French 120 mm APFSDS throughout their development phase (note the OFL 120 G1 on the far right ) :
     
    Source : COMHART, L'armement de gros calibre, 2008
     

  12. Tank You
    FORMATOSE reacted to LoooSeR in GLORIOUS T-14 ARMATA PICTURES.   
    Shells for T-14
  13. Tank You
    FORMATOSE got a reaction from Collimatrix in Tanks guns and ammunition.   
    125 mm ammunition next to a T-14 at ARMY-2022 International Military-Technical Forum, some propellant charges are salmon-coloured instead of the traditional orange color. 
    Unknown APFSDS mockup, 3BM60 Svinets-2-like.
     

  14. Tank You
    FORMATOSE got a reaction from Clan_Ghost_Bear in Tanks guns and ammunition.   
    Early French 120 mm smoothbore APFSDS prototypes, the dates on the cartridges show the years 1976 and 1977. They are related to the AMX-30 valorisé program (related to AMX-32 development).
     
    Source : The Tank Magazine, December 1978
     

     

     
    This can be linked to the gradual evolution of French 120 mm APFSDS throughout their development phase (note the OFL 120 G1 on the far right ) :
     
    Source : COMHART, L'armement de gros calibre, 2008
     

  15. Tank You
    FORMATOSE got a reaction from Collimatrix in Tanks guns and ammunition.   
    Early French 120 mm smoothbore APFSDS prototypes, the dates on the cartridges show the years 1976 and 1977. They are related to the AMX-30 valorisé program (related to AMX-32 development).
     
    Source : The Tank Magazine, December 1978
     

     

     
    This can be linked to the gradual evolution of French 120 mm APFSDS throughout their development phase (note the OFL 120 G1 on the far right ) :
     
    Source : COMHART, L'armement de gros calibre, 2008
     

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    FORMATOSE reacted to Serge in Explosive Reactive Armor   
    Interesting article about Nexter ERa developments. 
    https://www.forcesoperations.com/de-nouveaux-blindages-reactifs-en-developpement-chez-nexter-arrowtech/
    No accurate details, of course, but :
    - New ERA available in 2025
    - CERA available in 2026 ;
    - EPRA available by 2030.
    EPRA will be able to react differently according to the attack. 
  17. Tank You
    FORMATOSE got a reaction from Serge in Tanks guns and ammunition.   
    Early French 120 mm smoothbore APFSDS prototypes, the dates on the cartridges show the years 1976 and 1977. They are related to the AMX-30 valorisé program (related to AMX-32 development).
     
    Source : The Tank Magazine, December 1978
     

     

     
    This can be linked to the gradual evolution of French 120 mm APFSDS throughout their development phase (note the OFL 120 G1 on the far right ) :
     
    Source : COMHART, L'armement de gros calibre, 2008
     

  18. Metal
    FORMATOSE got a reaction from Serge in StuG III Thread (and also other German vehicles I guess)   
    Even before that :
     

  19. Tank You
    FORMATOSE got a reaction from watch_your_fire in StuG III Thread (and also other German vehicles I guess)   
    Even before that :
     

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    FORMATOSE got a reaction from Laviduce in StuG III Thread (and also other German vehicles I guess)   
    Even before that :
     

  21. Tank You
    FORMATOSE reacted to HAKI2019 in Vehicles of the PLA: Now with refreshing new topic title!   
    More details :https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7792516094
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    FORMATOSE got a reaction from TWMSR in Tanks guns and ammunition.   
    Early French 120 mm smoothbore APFSDS prototypes, the dates on the cartridges show the years 1976 and 1977. They are related to the AMX-30 valorisé program (related to AMX-32 development).
     
    Source : The Tank Magazine, December 1978
     

     

     
    This can be linked to the gradual evolution of French 120 mm APFSDS throughout their development phase (note the OFL 120 G1 on the far right ) :
     
    Source : COMHART, L'armement de gros calibre, 2008
     

  23. Funny
    FORMATOSE reacted to Jägerlein in Explosive Reactive Armor   
  24. Tank You
    FORMATOSE got a reaction from Serge in Tanks guns and ammunition.   
    A more detailed article on the ASCALON :
     
    https://lasd.online/140-ascalon/
     
     
     
  25. Tank You
    FORMATOSE got a reaction from Alzoc in Tanks guns and ammunition.   
    A more detailed article on the ASCALON :
     
    https://lasd.online/140-ascalon/
     
     
     
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