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Typhoon, Medved, BMD-4, BTR-80/82, Boomerang - as an add-on armor.

@Wiedzmin, do you know anything about ceramic material (corundum) called B-6 which is in armor arrays used by Russian vehicles?

Probably Type 96

22 hours ago, Beer said:

There is some gossip about Czech interest in K2 as well (nothing official at all at the moment). It would make a lot of sense if that was a common deal with the Poles. That could add the potential numbers. 

 

The background of that is that Leopard II and most of the other tanks are considered way too heavy. Nothing was ever prepared for such heavy tank in our country (including bridges) and having such heavy tanks would bring a lot of additional investments. 

That's the second part. Tanks for you (and for the rest of Europe) would be produced in Poland but that would be an up-armored version (similar to Altay). Not the basic one.

But still it's around 2030+ year when you can receive these tanks.

They were only because that is the MoD's need. If MoD needed 400 tanks then Hyundai would offer 400 tanks. 

But the year of 2023 is still fake. The official offer is that Hyundai will send 75 tanks (one battalion + 14 driving school vehicles + 3 prototypes - one for each program phase) up to 2027 (if the contract would be signed in next year) and after 2027 we can talk about the production.

Someone said 'terrible'?

That's fake. They have never offered 800 tanks.

Oh, they'd removed something before the photo was made. 

BTW WTF has happened with MTU's new website? It looks like they completely erased the fact of production AFV engines...

22 hours ago, Wiedzmin said:

also ERAWA have some sort of rubber outer pads ?

Yes. That's radar-absorbing rubber layer type 1K2KS / 1KF2KS (thickness = 4mm) which was created to lower PT-91's RCS in Ku- and X-band.

What type of engine will be placed in Marder? Something from Type 890 family or overhauled MB833?

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As a first step in replacing the drivetrain, a new powerpack will be installed in all of the vehicles, which will boost the Marder’s engine output from 600 to over 750 HP. The new powerpack will significantly enhance the tried-and-tested vehicle’s responsiveness. Here, the Bundeswehr has opted for a highly advanced, forward-looking new solution proposed by well-known German manufacturers.

https://www.rheinmetall.com/en/rheinmetall_ag/press/news/latest_news/index_19584.php

And the never ending story

Yep. But that was the expection. 

14 minutes ago, N-L-M said:

thats performance on the glacis, at an angle of 68 deg.

Not at all. We know from the tests that is explicitly the performance at an angle of 60 deg. They also checked that at an angle of 30 and 75 deg.

?????

From Rheinmetall's doc

1 hour ago, Kal said:

2xxx series has about 50% improvement over 5083 for ballistic resistance.

But has problems with material aging instead of 5xxx and 6xxx series. 

That's 130mm but according to other Rheinmetall's patent the case of 130mm is only longer than one in 120mm, not wider. So it seems that turret without add-on armor could be quite small.

3 hours ago, alanch90 said:

On the other hand, it's unlikely that they are 140mm since those are two piece.

Nexter has shown turret with 140mm and autoloader in own patent. And it looks like this.

The latest patent from Rheinmetall - published exactly two weeks ago

How DU works as an armor

https://docdro.id/gFliFU4

New Korean 40mm APFSDS

Declared penetration: 200 mm RHA from 2000 m

1 hour ago, alanch90 said:

New generation? K-2 isn´t enough?

Yes, Hyundai has realized that K2 is currently too cramped for Korean tankers. The last generation of Korean conscripts has grown a lot (circa 3 inches in 10 years) and now they need an interior space similar to one in European and American vehicles. AFAIK from people who were in K2 said the tank was similar in these terms to T-72.

And now they start working on XK3

Oh, and the proof of Korean 130mm.

Oh, and Hyundai Rotem also officially considers 130mm as future gun caliber for their new generation MBT. 

A tiny bit about Leonardo working together with Poles on new generation MBT. 

Not only part of MGCS

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Rheinmetall is also developing an unmanned 130mm demonstrator turret featuring automated ammunition flow. This system will be compatible with the European Main Ground Combat System (MGCS) project and can serve as a combat performance upgrade to all Leopard 2 user nations. The development also matches key developmental priorities in the US Army NGCV program.

It's beautiful!