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    Tied reacted to Sturgeon in I Learned Something Today   
    Be careful, you'll turn T___A on talking like that.
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    Tied reacted to Sturgeon in The Small Arms Thread, Part 8: 2018; ICSR to be replaced by US Army with interim 15mm Revolver Cannon.   
    I am going to write this here to answer your question, but you've got me interested so this post may disappear to feed a TFB article. If you want to save the info, copypasta it. Also, please note this is my off-the-cuff answer and includes a lot of speculation on my part. If I publish an article for TFB, it will be much more factual, and some details may change.
    It's a little more complicated than that. Kalashnikov designed the AK to be made with metal stampings, but the process chosen was tricky and the rejection rate of early "Type 1" stamped AKs was high, so an interim pattern was developed, which used a forged and milled receiver that was more expensive to make and heavier (although incidentally had much better service life) but would do until the stamping process was perfected. It was by the mid 1950s, and the AKM model began production in the latter half of that decade. Also in the 1950s, the Finnish began developing their own AK-derived weapons, which became the Valmet series. Initially, probably for production reasons as much as the sisu factor, the Finns decided to create their own milled receiver pattern, which was incorporated into the Rk. 62 (still in service with Finland, and not slated to be replaced any time soon).
    In the late 1960s, the Israelis started a program to procure their own home-grown rifle, two major designers submitted designs. One was the famous Uziel Gal, designer of the Uzi submachine gun, and the other was his colleague, Yisrael Galili, who assisted in the Uzi's design. Uziel came up with a completely new design, the Gal rifle, while Yisrael proposed variants of the AK pattern that Israel had faced in the Six Day War, called the Balashnikov.

     
    A Balashnikov prototype, second from bottom. Note that it is made off a Type 2 forged-milled receiver.
    Galili's rifle was really nothing more than a warmed-over AK in 5.56mm, with very, very few differences. In fact, it is my understanding that the rifles were essentially made of cannibalized Russian and Chinese parts with new barrels and some additional fittings, like the bipods. The Balashnikov was selected over the Gal (which was somewhat controversial, especially since Gal's was an excellent - and pretty much all-original - design), and so far as I know it's around this stage that Valmet steps into the picture.
    It seems that during the production engineering stage, the Finns courted the Israelis, and Galili's Balashnikov design was thrown completely out of the window, and replaced with... The Rk. 62, with a handful of changes. A bipod was added, based on the one on Galili's prototype, as well as a folding stock, carry handle, and left-side selector, but these were the only features from Galili's prototype that actually made it to the final design; the rest (including most of the much-lauded improvements over the AK) came from the Valmet, except the upswept charging handle which was neither a feature of the Balashnikov prototypes nor the Valmets. All of these additions, needless to say, dramatically increased the weight of the rifle. For reference, an M4 Carbine is about 6.2 pounds unloaded, an AK about 7.0 pounds, a stamped Valmet about 8 pounds, and a Galil weighs over nine-and-three-quarter pounds.
    I recall hearing that the first Galils in the preproduction run were actually made in Finland, which wouldn't surprise me, but I'll have to check on that.
    Regardless, it's a convoluted story that left quite a few people butthurt including Gal himself and also just about every soldier that had to hump the stupidly heavy rifle (as heavy as an FAL, but in a much smaller caliber). It didn't take the Galil to be largely supplanted by foreign-bought AR-15 derivatives, despite it being an iconic weapon of Israel for many years.
    Having said that, it's a reliable, decent weapon, and at least it's not an INSAS.
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    Tied reacted to Sturgeon in 2016 Presidential Election Thread Archive   
    That last person is edging on weird territory, considering Sanders' campaign is literally a Jewish socialist conspiracy.
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    Tied reacted to Meplat in The Small Arms Thread, Part 8: 2018; ICSR to be replaced by US Army with interim 15mm Revolver Cannon.   
    Bud, I'd likely be sharing whatever penalty box you were. 
     
    I have seen a number of AK's survive tests no AR was subjected to , simply because of the AK's low cost and reputation for indestructability.
     
    It's not my first choice simply because of familiarity, but it's a solid "1.1250"..
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    Tied reacted to Donward in The Small Arms Thread, Part 8: 2018; ICSR to be replaced by US Army with interim 15mm Revolver Cannon.   
    To be fair, that's what we always call you regardless of the topic.
     
    But I agree that the majority of mud tests are fairly idiotic. 
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    Tied reacted to Donward in 2016 Presidential Election Thread Archive   
    Yeah. I saw that Huckabee post. I interviewed him in person once upon a lifetime. The guy is funny and personable with a good self-deprecatory sense of humor.
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    Tied got a reaction from Donward in 2016 Presidential Election Thread Archive   
    Bringing the Banter
     

     

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    Tied got a reaction from T___A in 2016 Presidential Election Thread Archive   
    Bringing the Banter
     

     

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    Tied reacted to T___A in I Learned Something Today   
    Does this guy not own a cat?
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    Tied reacted to Meplat in WoT v WT effort-thread   
    Tried WoT again, 999+Ms ping.
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    Tied reacted to Donward in WoT v WT effort-thread   
    I'm sorry. Having 20 fake alarms, tones and buzzing sounds go off while what sounds like a class full of 2nd graders are pounding on cast iron pans with a ball-peen hammer is horseshit.
    The sound effects are obnoxious shit and now I have to waste time jiggering with the settings to turn off crap that is irrelevant while hoping I didn't disable the one or two effects that are useful.
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    Tied reacted to Donward in WoT v WT effort-thread   
    Played a few matches after the update.
     
    Holy shit the gameplay experience is horse shit. Just absolute crap. I have to turn the volume off because every fucking notification has a different bell or whistle or alarm going off. It sounds like a fucking pinball machine. I intentionally run my game with ZERO fucking mods because I don't want a bunch of superfluous shit going off. And the sound effects are crap, like a fucking 1980s video game makers is trying to replicate the sound of a tin can being shot. That's how shitty it is.
     
    I shouldn't have to turn the volume off on a game in order to enjoy it.
     
    I mean fuck, there's this weird buzzer going off and I was wondering what it was before realizing it was Sixth Sense. I don't fucking need or want a buzzer going off for sixth sense. That's what the fucking giant light bulb is that is on the screen. I'm not some fucking Russian test dog that needs bells and whistles to go off to tell me to do something fucking basic.
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    Tied got a reaction from Mike E in GLORIOUS T-14 ARMATA PICTURES.   
    only 200 times, 190 of those without pants 
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    Tied reacted to Donward in Panem et Circenses Thread   
    The NFL is run by a bunch of idiots who are single mindedly trying to kill the goose that laid the golden egg.
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    Tied reacted to CrashbotUS in General artillery, SPGs, MLRS and long range ATGMs thread.   
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    Tied got a reaction from Bronezhilet in The Small Arms Thread, Part 8: 2018; ICSR to be replaced by US Army with interim 15mm Revolver Cannon.   
    You want weapon of glorious Soviet design for purposes of self defence and plinking. You buy weapon of Autvomat Kalashnikov in the year 1974
    Good rifle serves you best years of your life. You go to fraternal Czechoslovakia you drink beer and fratenize with girls. You go to fraternal East German Republic. You watch the cigarette smoke flow off the furniture of your rifle like dew through the East German pines. You get rifle dirty from long day of eating and smoking you through in lake
    For as man dug up god's earth to build rifle you return rifle. Baptizing it in the mude, the sweat the blood. For you know deep in your heart that you and your rifle are ready to finish what your fore fathers did in great Patriotic war. Once again the essence of Russian soilder is ready to save the world
    Thats why you buy rifle
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    Tied reacted to Donward in Panem et Circenses Thread   
    I mean does Russia even make pro athletes other than the occasional tomato can boxer, NHL hockey player and women's figure skater?
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    Tied reacted to Sturgeon in Lets talk TV Shows   
    Savage takedown of Dr. Who by Zach Weinersmith:


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    Tied reacted to SuperComrade in Aerospace Pictures and Art Thread   
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    Tied got a reaction from LoooSeR in Food and Putting it in Our Faces   
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    Tied reacted to LostCosmonaut in BlackTailDefense Doesn't Know Shit About Tank Design   
    welp, not even SH is safe from being linked to furry porn
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    Tied reacted to Donward in 2016 Presidential Election Thread Archive   
    That Federalist article doesn't know what the hell it's bleating about. If you want Trump explained - seriously - read and listen to Rush Limbaugh on the subject.
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