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   We should have such thread as those weapons were used a lot in conflicts of last 2 years, and are used now.

 

   New Best Korean 300mm MLRS, it was shown at a parade in Oct of 2015. I saw claims that it can reach 160-180 km.

 

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A-222 "Bereg" (Coast) 130 mm SPG. Unusual caliber for Soviet/Russian SPGs and it is coastal defence system.

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130mm has been a pretty common caliber for Russian destroyers, coastal batteries and secondary batteries for capital ships since the pre revolution days, and for destroyers and cruisers in the Cold War era. The first they ever used was a licensed built design from Vickers.

 

Seeing as how this is also a coast defense gun, did the Navy have anything to do with the design per chance?

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I think the performance of a 130mm gun has alot more to do with it. Faster fire rate and low dispersion is much more important than how much HE you can pack into one shell- this isnt 1916. Modern CWIS and armor mean its not the single big powerful cruise missile that deciamtes fleets but rather swarms of varrying trajectory cruise missiles. Since the biggest meanest ship buster in your aresonal will be just as useless as any other once CWIS gets a beat on it

This rings true with artillery aswell for coastal action. Plus 130mm isnt too far away from 122mm so similar performance can be achieved while in a common round

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I think the performance of a 130mm gun has alot more to do with it. Faster fire rate and low dispersion is much more important than how much HE you can pack into one shell- this isnt 1916. Modern CWIS and armor mean its not the single big powerful cruise missile that deciamtes fleets but rather swarms of varrying trajectory cruise missiles. Since the biggest meanest ship buster in your aresonal will be just as useless as any other once CWIS gets a beat on it

This rings true with artillery aswell for coastal action. Plus 130mm isnt too far away from 122mm so similar performance can be achieved while in a common round

 

You kind of missed my point.

 

My point was that, in the context of Naval and Coastal battery use, 130mm isn't actually as rare of a caliber as it may seem for use in Russian/Old Soviet guns in that purpose, so if thats intended for coastal defense, It could've very well been influenced by the Navy for anything from ammo commonality to the ability to use the same tools used to make naval guns used for the tubes for those pieces.

 

One example woul also be the land based S-23, which has a seemingly odd 180mm caliber, that's because it was also based on a naval gun and 180mm was common on Russian cruisers.

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You kind of missed my point.

 

My point was that, in the context of Naval and Coastal battery use, 130mm isn't actually as rare of a caliber as it may seem for use in Russian/Old Soviet guns in that purpose, so if thats intended for coastal defense, It could've very well been influenced by the Navy for anything from ammo commonality to the ability to use the same tools used to make naval guns used for the tubes for those pieces.

 

One example woul also be the land based S-23, which has a seemingly odd 180mm caliber, that's because it was also based on a naval gun and 180mm was common on Russian cruisers.

 

its not uncommon, but i think the reasons i stated are the reasons its in use 

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Iran

Al-Qadr missile:

1700-2000km range
Weighs 17tons
16m tall
650kg warhead

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#Iran has test fired 2 "Qadr" medium range ballistic missiles in eastern Alborz, claiming it has a 2000km range 

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