Jeeps_Guns_Tanks

Overkill anyone?

So, Sherman vs Panther is a topic that has been chewed over on this forum until only gristle remains. I accordingly have very little to add except to urge the newer members to dig into some of our older threads.
 
In terms of chronological progression vs what hindsight tells us - as @Sturgeon has stated, a T-44/T-54 was entirely within the state of the art in 1939. If aircraft seem to have more quickly arrived at a local optimum, it's partly a function of more resources being poured into them than tanks*, partly a function of the relative utility of outdated models^, and partly a function of different operational and strategic tradeoffs.
 
Tanks are rigidly constrained by fuel supply lines, bridge sizing, tunnel width and train gauges. The result is that you want to get along with the smallest, lightest, most mobile vehicle you can until such time as it isn't tenable any more. With aircraft, the major limitation of runways only kicks in at the very frontline, and accordingly puts hard constraints only on shorter-ranged types such as interceptors and tactical support aircraft. Even then, this mostly bites around the point where jet aircraft become common and landing speeds start to balloon.
 
 
*Resources put into tank vs. aircraft production in WW2 are uniformly almost impossible to directly quantify given wildly fluctuating budgets, the different strategic resources needed by each, the inaccuracies of stated prices, and the fact that all the services kept their own accounts. On the Nazi side of things, wild swings in allocation were frequent but the luftwaffe nearly always ended up with the lion's share of resources (especially scarce resources such as aluminium). As for the Army, only around 20% of their budget went into tanks. The production figures of all combatant nations reflect this: around two aircraft were produced for every tank.
 
 
^An outdated tank can still provide valuable frontline service, while an outdated fighter or bomber is dead weight.

The P-47 is crying in its grave that this is her legacy. 

Yeah, the Army would have handled fixed wing CAS better than the Air Force for sure.

Did it ever kill a tank in anger that wasn't on its own side with its gun?

Did it ever kill a tank in anger that wasn't on its own side with its gun?

Had the fantastic opportunity to PMCS, boresight, and road test a M1A2 SEPv3 from 4-9 CAV at Ft. Hood today.
 

 
https://i.imgur.com/X0GEL89.mp4
https://i.imgur.com/h0McxcP.mp4
 
Many images:
 
I can confirm the photo I posted previously that the turret weight of the SEPv3 31.5 tons (28.6 metric tons). I have a photo of the name plate but I haven't removed the serial numbers to upload it. 
 
I also made an extremely rough estimation of the turret armor LOS using my boot and then measuring my boot after (I didn't have a measuring tape on the tank nor did I want to piss off the crew). Using this very rough method I found the armor to be at least 1150mm LOS including the backplate. 
 
I may be able to get back on a SEPv3 next Monday. 

Strategic ASW and Naval Strategy
 
http://kashti.ir/files/ENBOOKS/pdf. Strattegic antisubmarine warfare & naval strategy.pdf
 
Almost 40 years old but very interesting.  Appendixes have much good info.
 
Why was the Trident II missile given silo busting accuracy?  The author speculates that increasing the threat to Soviet land based missiles would force the USSR to use more naval assets to protest SSBNs, preventing these assets from being used to interdict NATO SLOCs.
 
Speculation about the size of the Typhoon class.  Elsewhere I have read that they carried 16 SLBMs and 4 satellite launchers, 2 commo, 2 surveillance.  They would stay underwater for a year, put the satellites up, send surveillance data and find any rebuilding activity in previously nuked countries.  They would then nuke it bouncing whatever was being rebuilt on the rubble.
 
This, and some other stuff I've read make it clear why the Seawolf class was limited to 3 vessels.  The Seawolf's major sensor innovation, a large sonar array, would have its range cut by Soviet sub quieting and would therefore not be able to search for subs very much faster.  Elsewhere I read that the Virginia was better at everything except ASW than the Seawolf.  As Virginia was improved further it caught up to Seawolf in ASW as well.  Also, the swim out torpedo tubes on the Seawolf would work for electric torpedoes but not so well for thermal torpedoes with toxic exhaust like the MK-48.  50 torpedo capacity would mostly mean more torpedoes in Davy Jones locker in a real war.  Larger sub to carry 50 torpedoes meany higher cost or lower performance for the other capabilities.
 
Exercises showed that USN subs had a 3:1 advantage over Soviet subs in getting off the first shot.  Assuming all torpedoes hit meant a 3:1 kill ratio.  If torpedoes miss, then the Soviets would be in much better shape given higher sub speeds, higher firepower, and better battle damage resistance.  All those advantages were magnified in shallow water and under ice, exactly where the US would need to go to hunt Soviet SSBNs.
 
Had the Cold War continued quiet Soviet subs would have made it too difficult for the US to hunt Soviet SSBNs and forced the US to find another way to protect SLOCs besides forcing the USSR to hold back its entire navy to protect SSBN bastions.
 
Author assumes Soviet SSBNs could be tracked but US SSBNs could not be tracked.
 
Today there is some controversy over whether Chinese SSBNs should be tracked in peacetime and threatened in war.  Apparently they can be tracked.
 
https://carnegietsinghua.org/2018/10/24/u.s.-anti-submarine-warfare-and-its-impact-pub-77495
 
 

FROM THE FILES OF LFS ORDNANCE DEPT.
 - Lone Free State proprietary information -
9.18.2247 
To: LFS central command
CC: relevant industrial concerns
 
@Sturgeon
@Toxn
@Fareastmenace
@delete013
@Sten
@Dominus Dolorem
SUBJ: RE: candidate heavy armored truck designs

Kind sirs,
we apologize for the delay in responding to the technical request in your last communication on this topic. As you are no doubt aware, the LFS Ordnance dept. was set up only recently, and administrative affairs have delayed the trials and testing of the proposed vehicle designs.

With the above said, enclosed are our recommendations for the selection of a new heavy armored truck for the newly formed 1st Heavy Ranger Brigade.

FIRST PLACE: 
Brownsville Armour Engineering Systems FV601 “Cossack”

LFS Ordnance was very impressed with this design, featuring a very good blend of features both for the current threat environment and for future threat environments.
Congratulations, @Fareastmenace!

 
SECOND PLACE:
Persson Engineering Solutions and Brewing, Main Battle Tank, MBT-01, "Gigan"


Another very impressive beast, again featuring a design focused not only on the current threat environment but on the future as well.
@Sten, very well done.

THIRD PLACE:
East Oil Company MBT-1 Monolith


An extremely large, extremely powerful beast, which while perhaps somewhat poorly tailored to the requirements of the LFS nevertheless would offer substantial performance in service.
@Dominus Dolorem, good show.

Detailed opinions on all designs to follow shortly.
 

Yeah, I was shooting for 65-68 tons normal, about 75-78 tons with the belly plate and turret wedges. But she really put on some COVID weight , and I just dropped it, I’m not really looking for 80+ ton mammoths. Funny enough, not a single plate on my tank was over 1 inch thick (except for the trunnion mounting, because it has to be thicker). 
 
FWIW, the front armor is: 
Wedge (60 degrees): 20mm HHA, 20mm STEF, 20mm RHA 
 
750mm air gap (at the center) 
 
Turret front (24 degrees): 20mm HHA, 51mm STEF, 25mm RHA, 280mm NERA (60 degrees, arranged like T-72B array), 20mm HHA, 280mm NERA (shells have to pass through 2 plates when dead on), 25mm HHA, 25mm STEF, 25mm RHA. 

I want to preserve this absolutely bold (retarded, but bold) attempt to shift blame off himself for something that anyone who has eyes to see can tell he started.
 
Delete, fundamentally your problem is that you're not as smart as the person who's not as smart as the person who's not as smart as the person who's not as smart as the person who's not as smart as you think you are.
 

And if you get me drunk enough, I'm still salty about it, too!

Because I'm not Slavic. My psycho-social gestalt is firmly on the praise good/romantic idealist end of the spectrum.
 
My patience is also a finite resource, especially when getting lip from someone I'm in the process of trying to gently correct instead of chastise.

I'm Armenian-Georgian mix, my parents are from a village in Southern Georgian region near Turkish border. There are several german members in this forum, who i respect. I don't care about nationality of people.
 
   You need ability to follow guidlines. I threw people submissions from competitions for less than that, like during one of previous competition when i excluded this forum owner's submission literally because of several mm. Your submission was not getting any favorable or unfavorable treatment.
 
 

He *did* organize his thoughts first, you retarded little bitch.

The fault of failing to read, or ignoring, the requirements for the submissions.
 
Which is LMAO, but would be fine and everyone has days of retardation, but no... you had to whine like the little bitch you are, had to blame on the evil Russians.

It's always someone else's fault isn't it? The Russians... the Jews...

Cool your jets with the conspiratorial stuff.
 
LoooSeR is one of our most experienced and valuable posters, and provides something that every project needs in his role as a judge: terminal slavic pessimism. And he does so without fear, favour or bias.
This is a man who could look upon the face of God himself and then provide detailed commentary on elements in need of improvement. And we're damn thankful for it.

About a week ago i was walking on Vasilevskiy island and made a photo near Krasin icebreaker (museum ship) of 2 big ships under constructions.

 
As i found those are 2 nuclear powered icebreakers Ural and Sibir':
 

Those fins are not up to Pratt&Whitney standards, very chonk.

I'm not sure where the "racism" came from, unless Nazi's are a race? Highly doubt it, but if you think any of us are being racist towards Germans, we're not. 
 
 
Anyway, I added pictures and some more data on the Brahman. She's overweight and underpowered, but the armor is amazing. Dont know how much I can get done: never got this far so I dont know what I'm doing and I am disorganized. 

Europe is sleeping in the shadows of a recent past it pretends it has escaped. All that old evil it spent a century bleeding itself and the greater world dry over was not exorcized by a generation of consumerist socialism. It'll be back a second time - as farce rather than tragedy, of course.
 
I think you know fokkol and should stop before you embarrass yourself.

So firstly, yikes (context to follow).
 
Secondly, in case you're confused about the rather critical eye we're casting on your no-doubt sincere bit of worldbuilding: we're an old forum by internet standards, tracing our way back, if not to the Sumerian era of usenet groups or the Assyrian era of blogs-turned-forums, then to the classical era of the 2010s. So we've seen some cycles recur. And one of those cycles, analogous to the friendly Nazi problem that bars deal with (only more cringey and sad than disgusting), is the friendly wehraboo problem.
 
You see, they always start friendly - just asking questions, just wanting to air their legitimate love of technology and design independent of the political nastiness that surrounded it. And it always ends in a welter of "which German tank ace would look the hottest as an anime princess" posts. So when some unfortunate soul comes in just asking questions and wanting to air their legitimate love of technology etc etc, we tend to stare hard and long at the underlying dynamics of the situation.
 
Because nobody wants to have to clean up the shit that wehraboos excrete once they congregate in any numbers.