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Hey so i found a pic of what looks to be a new belt and mag fed Chinese LMG (I'm saying Chinese mostly because the mags look awfully 5.8 chinese super waffle patterny mostly, don't eviscerate me if I'm wrong plz!) https://i.imgur.com/01FBVRx.jpg

That's because SOCOM has no idea 5.56 STURGEON SAYS FUCK YOUR COUCH exists... 62 grains of sweet sweet fuck your faggoty m14 and 762 hato

So I'm too excited to wait for the imgur upload to finish fully on the Russ Robinson related archive I'm putting up for you guys. It's mostly the 2 fighting firearms articles and pics from SAR archives. I'll edit in the link Russ Robinson for SH https://imgur.com/gallery/m6Jso

It's barrel doesn't move forward, you are correct... I'm kinda halfway sure i know where the patent fork is, but I'm rereading about 30 patents trying to really narrow it all down which is far from easy. The LWMMG comes from a series of at least 8 major main derivatives in a group of patents that all have impulse average averaged or averaging and short recoil gas operation and etc in the name in varying combinations... Then there's offshoots of the sugg system and two other systems by guys who's names are escaping me right now, one of which is basically the progenitor of the gd LWMMG and the others belong to 806 312 307 etc etc... Plus there's a bunch of ares origin stuff as well as externally powered and self powered armor machine gun competition retreads running around the periphery... (This includes the ARAS guns btw)

If it's hybrid soft recoil it's likely based off a patent by a guy named sugg which is kinda a rehash of some stoner Robinson stuff i think maybe sorta tied to crg-26 and some later ares stuff... But that's kinda a guess there's at least 3 types and separate patent trails on very similar stuff that's really spotty, because a good chunk of all of it may still be classified. Or at least that's what it looks like because you see really early stuff in patent chains that are pretty plainly the early versions of more polished stuff we see later.

I would so buy one of those if i could though!

This is for combat though...

Forgot to add that glass as a charge liner material presentation is also included... For some reason i think that may be interesting, and or a glass / secondary material mix

Bronez, 1006032.pdf available on dtic.mil 26th international symposium on ballistics.... Year is 2011 location Florida It covers a BUNCH of stuff you guys are talking about here, the nera thread, reactive armor thread, covers noninitiating charges wrt reactive armor, and basically a fuck ton of other stuff you will like... It's like1200 pages but it's worth it. If you can't successfully get dtic to cough it up I'll retrace my steps and get you a link to download.

I'll spring for fucking bottle service... Lets make this shit happen

Point of order, that's really NOT the example you want to use LOL... HERE'S WHY: That particular pair of guns share the same origin point, had the same mischief done unto them by the same guy, and a third guy who wound up stuck with the mess after the Arsenal system got shuttered confirms this without saying so and with every reason to instead promote a different option more beneficial to him... *plus the origination gun(s) worked really great in Canada, the UK, and here i believe over multiple calibers and almost 2 decades of desultory on and off messing with them... Story time (source the pair of articles about Robinson in fighting firearms as well as one or more interviews of former GE guys by SAR available on their site) Ok so, the m73 & m85 started out as the Robinson Model 33 which was a VERY MATURE and very well behaved design when ordnance bought the design and was getting ready to put it in production as is.... Then Robinson turned down a job with them instead going to Colt and SUDDENLY the design was punted to TRW for "verification" which was really an instruction to break it as hard as you fucking can. Two contracts and quite awhile later the new "fixed" design was sent back and batch 2 of preproduction was made and tested with batch 1 guns... Batch w guns sucked dick batch 1 guns didn't... Fast forward a bit longer and GE has now had RIA dumped in its lap lock stock and barrel and calls from the field are coming in saying hey these guns are fucking broken! GE's in blind panic trying to rehire, at least make contact with, and otherwise talk to ex employees ESPECIALLY for those products because IMAGINE THAT a bunch of the fucking documentation etc is missing and TRW doesn't have it either! (Quick! Look shocked!) Basically the GE guy goes I'm not saying the design was sabotaged, but yeah it was sabotaged... Robinson says they skull fucked a working design because colt paid better and i took the better pay, plus i heard ordnance did... Well exactly what they did to my designs regularly and outsiders were not welcomed with open arms... The guy who presided over the breaking of the gun picked up his phone and immediately hung it up for the rest of his life... (Far from the only design he sabotaged from what i understand) Don't get me wrong, i get your basic point here Sturgeon, but using that particular example is poor form because we know what happened there and it was outright sabotage whereas i could honestly see philco fucking up the otherwise excellent 235 design considering seargeant york ESPECIALLY!

Nathaniel, in this case though they really actually did create really good items. Btw, the same guys did the Dover Devil too and at least one of the original XM235/GPAWS team is still in the industry and has patented a new piece for Dover devil in the last 5 years. They really are great designs and would have been extraordinarily economical to mass produce, and they even had pretty amazingly low parts counts to boot. After finding that hughes presentation and going through the other stuff from the first two years of the SAR archives the other day i can also safely say that i really hope you're wrong about our design chops from that era... Why? Because a good portion of what we're working on these days is pretty much retreads of that stuff. Kinda to a shocking degree.

LIES! there was not a single dwarf / gnome and that's not moria... Errrr obendorf!

Unless you're Emeric, then it's a suppression study

Oh my god and some of the responses from European commenters... Jesus... Are they trying to start world war fuck everybody with the stupid shit they're saying?

Thanks for answering a bunch of my questions, I've been reading about shaped charges efps heat warheads reactive armor and etc basics all day... Hopefully my questions won't suck as much soon LOL

I have them all the time, especially in the summer... The heat makes me moody bitchy and evil like a teenage girl Sorry guys Still... The xm235 didn't suck and we suck because we didn't adopt it's not suckness! It's big brother GPAWS / LWGPHMG / DOVER DEVIL also was refreshingly not sucky but we suck so we didn't buy that either

Far left AR15 Far right ARX-160 ... between them... Errmmm other stuff? Edit: Damnit i suck at life

Hey, i know... We could just use the sub 14 pound empty weight 24 inch barreled 7.62 machine gun we already developed... But, i mean the balance wasn't as insanely good after philco productionized it as it was in it's original right handed only configuration, those load and go belt boxes that eliminated the need for dicking with the top cover and made it almost magazine fed rifle fast to reload and get back in action woulda likely cost a few more dollars each, and it started out as kind of a bullpup! (oh the heresy oh the shame) I Really liked weaponsman and have vast respect for his voluminous and hard won knowledge, but i gotta say he fell down on the job big time concluding in part 5 of the SAW series that "the m249 was just plain better." Honestly, he fell down distressingly hard on that one... There's quite literally not any way in which the xm249 even played in the same league as the xm235/248 except one technicality which turned out to be less than a meaningless "win" for FN... (some will say with hi dsight my assertion is true, but that couldn't have been known at the time! They're full of shit.) The xm249 had a 30 round magazine adapter which required no parts swapping etc.... And didn't work all that great from day one! Somehow i doubt fn would be happy if it was made clear that they got the contract based on their flaming shit pile mag adapter! With bipod the 7.62 xm235 was under 16.5 pounds. Best weight i can find for the t&e mechanism itself gives a 3 pound weight, and because of the way these guns were designed and built the t&e is the only "extra part" not part of the gun itself needed for tripod use! That's a whole ALMOST 20 POUNDS for everything but the ammo and plastic ammo box! Things I've read also indicate that even the 7.62 version did not need the soft recoil mount that weighs more than a 7.62 xm248 with bipod (realistically the manuals I'm checking show 20 pounds for t&e + soft recoil in addition to the much heavier 240's themselves... The whole fycking package minus ammo weighs as much as the mount and t&e alone!) This whole bullshit that America cannot into making guns as light as pkm is maddening when you know this...

Doesn't have a radial engine or gau-8 ... Do you just hate pilots or something?

They had a whole raft of really neat mg designs... I personally have a weird obsession with the mg17 mg81 and a couple others (The mg15 na from ww1, Cetme Ameli, berezin, shkas, beardmore farquhar, farquhar hill, m1941 m1944 m1945 and the other Melvin Johnson stuff, Dutch AR10's and the belt feds they spawned, and so many more!) I like my guns like my women exotic, would be awesome if..., temperamental, and odd or downright dangerous!

Yeah that puckered some buttholes apparently.

Was just wanting to confirm i wasn't mistaken before continuing onward. What do you think about the whole possibility of being made ambi thing? To me it would seem to be a pretty strong candidate for such a feature. I could even see it being a very fast to swap ejection direction ambi gun with less of the beretta weirdness of the arx

Looser, The svch is based on the dragunov MA design right? If so, wouldn't designs based off this system and construction methods be relatively trivial to make in left hand ejecting versions? It seems to me like in some ways there's at least the potential for that, if not outright being able to make a fairly simple set of modifications to the basics in order to get toolless and fast selectable ejection between left amd right.

Yeah you were mentioning that earlier and how it makes certain comparisons hard or nearly impossible to do. It's that whole change only one variable to get good data thing.