Belesarius Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 This thread is for random aerospace and Ordnance news that doesn't merit it's own thread. Anyhow, the US is deploying an upgrade to the JSOW that makes it capable against moving ships, as well as changing targets mid flight. The JSOW C-1 variant is network enabled, meaning it can be used against moving targets such as ships/boats. The big upgrade to it is Link 16 Data link, enabling targeting updates several times mid course. http://www.scout.com/military/warrior/story/1647495-navy-to-deploy-new-fighter-launched-weapon Sturgeon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 I appreciate threads of this nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted March 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 I figured that we could cut down on # of threads for random small aerospace shtuff, and still sperg out over new hardware. The JSOW thing is pretty neat capability. Colli and I were talking about 1 missile to do just about everything. The JSOW C-1 kinda approaches that for surface targets that need a decent sized warhead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.E. Watters Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 Spelling TipOrdinance: a law or regulation Ordnance: weapons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted March 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 Corrected. D.E. Watters 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 OK, so what do folks think about manned COIN/Light CAS birds in the 21st Century? Obsolete thanks to drones, or making a comeback, or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted March 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 I think light COIN birds are very relevent in the current COIN atmosphere, especially with the advances in APS systems and light precision guided munitions like the laser guided Hydra. NOE flight in a COIN bird can make for very short engagement times especially if you pair light COIN aircraft with recon drones. Not to say that it's a low risk environment, MANPADs are a serious threat, but especially for low-intensity conflict like going up against Boko Haram or ISIS. Basically I think a COIN aircraft like the ones Iraq bought, or the Bronco are sensible platforms for laser guided precision strike munitions for those that can't afford to field high cost drones like the Reaper. The big difference is cost per flight hour, and loiter time IMNSHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Mi-24VP with gunpods. Interesting thing is that such pods were out of use in late 1980s in Soviet Union, as they were found to be pretty useless (especially when you have rocket pods) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted March 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Gun pods have issues with vibration affecting accuracy IIRC, so the dispersion of rounds ends up being almost as bad as rocket pods. I remember seeing something about test results for several aircraft having this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted March 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Mech/Colli... any comments? http://www.janes.com/article/58526/china-s-avic-prepares-for-major-aero-engine-merger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collimatrix Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Modern gas turbine development is obscenely expensive. For the 777 engine Rolls Royce and GE ended up partnering, and GE has partnered with SNECMA on the latest ceramic/CMC development project. I think they spend something like $1 billion on ceramics/CMC research over the past decade. So consolidation makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tied Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 Mi-24VP with gunpods. Interesting thing is that such pods were out of use in late 1980s in Soviet Union, as they were found to be pretty useless (especially when you have rocket pods) Because there is no real point in having them if you already have a canon. Rockets do everything better and can suppress a much larger area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 #Libya Libyan national army uses RBK-250-275 AO-1SCh cluster bomb on Mi-8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 So yeah, the DF-21D, which is the long range missile variant designed with a mach 10-12 kinetic kill vehicle for use against large ship columns may have more then a land based launch system. Belesarius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted March 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 http://www.scout.com/military/warrior/story/1650624-pentagon-arsenal-plane-likely-be-b-52 Flight of the Old Dog redux. I wonder how many AMRAAMs you could sling on a B-52 with internal bays and wing pylons fully loaded. Though I do worry about the age of the airframes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted March 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/11/politics/decades-old-planes-used-against-isis/index.html Heh. OV-10 rides again. Sturgeon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted March 13, 2016 Report Share Posted March 13, 2016 OK, so what do folks think about manned COIN/Light CAS birds in the 21st Century? Obsolete thanks to drones, or making a comeback, or what? http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/11/politics/decades-old-planes-used-against-isis/index.html Heh. OV-10 rides again. I guess that sort of answers my question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted March 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2016 That cost per flight hour tho... Daaayum. Also, the pilots were fighting to see who got to fly it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronezhilet Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 Forgive me, but what's the big hype with the OV-10? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 It's the sort of little, efficient but specialized airplane that doesn't get enough love from the US military (not enough graft potential), so that alone gives it the underdog effect. There's also a romantic idea of it being a centerpiece aircraft; think Tank Girl or Airwolf. At least, there is for me. For the purest embodiment of this, see the post-apocalyptic Bronco I posted in the modeling thread. Plus, it's sort of like the H-6, a dangerous little bird flown by dangerous people to do dangerous things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted March 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 Forgive me, but what's the big hype with the OV-10? Incredibly efficient COIN aircraft. Lots of loiter time, can carry enough armament, good visibility, low cost to operate. With a few upgrades it could be one hell of a good low cost COIN/FAC aircraft. But not shiny enough for the brass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted March 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/breaking-russia-tests-new-hypersonic-cruise-missile-15527 Tied/LoooSer, do you guys know much about this system? Sounds interesting. 250 mile range Mach 5-6 sounds pretty nasty and hard to stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted March 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2016 http://worlddefencenews.blogspot.ca/2016/03/3m22-zirkon-hypersonic-anti-ship.html Another story about the Zirkon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted March 19, 2016 Report Share Posted March 19, 2016 http://worlddefencenews.blogspot.ca/2016/03/3m22-zirkon-hypersonic-anti-ship.html Another story about the Zirkon. It is claimed by BMPD blog that Zirkon/Tsirkon missile shape is similar to this one (mock-up, not a real size, lol): Anti-ship missile system 3K22 "Zircon" ( "Zircon-S") with a hypersonic missile 3M22 that was designed JSC "Military Industrial Corporation" Scientific-Production Association of mechanical engineering" for quite a long time, and now, as is evident from the report, brought to the stage of the beginning of the flight tests. According to some sources, throwing missile tests were carried out with the Tu-22M3 in Akhtubinsk in 2012-2013. In 2015, the official website of procurement of "PO Sevmash" was posted information about the contract with JSC "Design Bureau of Special Machine Building"(St. Petersburg, is a concern of EKR" Almaz-Antey ") for the manufacture and supply of ten universal vertical launchers ZS-14-11442M for passing the company repairs with modernization of the heavy nuclear missile cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" project 11442. Production will be carried out according to the terms of reference "Modification UVLM ZS-14-22350 for the 3K-14 complexes, 9K, 3M55, 3K-22 with respect to the order of 11442M " Hmmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted March 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2016 It's a pretty big capability jump for the Kirov. I've heard it mentioned that the BrahMos II is basically the export version of the missile. Edit: Interesting tidbit from the NavyRecognition article: According to Russian Deputy Defense Minister Dmitry Bulgakov, completely new fuel Detsilin-M was designed in Russia for hypersonic cruise missiles. "Russian army has been supplied in recent years with Detsilin-M fuel which expands the range of strategic cruise missiles by 250-300 km. It will be used as fuel for jet engines of new hypersonic strategic cruise missiles", he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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