Alex C. Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 In my experience, manufacturers are happy to lie about the weight of their weapons. That is the most likely reason for these figures. Change it on wiki. Belesarius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Change it on wiki. And reference your article as a cite, so they don't change it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 They will still change it back, man. Also, I would never stoop so low as to edit Wikipedia. Belesarius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted February 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 I had a list of 30+ actual sources on Wikipedia for the Type-98/99 alone that all got removed by one alt account using shitstain to back himself up whos using Ausairpower as his sole source because that's clearly more reliable then works from the actual design team of the project. Wikipedia admins sided with him and clearly I was a vandal despite him doing this to multiple pages with dubious as fuck sources and they were happy to undo years of actual content because of fucking Ausairpower. Don't even bother trying to change anything on Wikipedia, it's a massive waste of fucking time. Sturgeon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted February 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Also, why is literally every single thing A Fascist Corgi says happens to be the most retarded thing ever written, tied only with whatever he wrote before that? Sturgeon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex C. Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Remember Samuel Suggs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted February 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Can't say I do, please link me to his painful shit. Also, tell your website admin to fucking unblock me already, cool thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 I have been accused of many things, but this is a new one: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted February 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 "Weaponized Trojan" .....????????????????? Sturgeon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 It's especially puzzling, because the file is hosted on Google Docs, so he's suggesting that there's a "weaponized trojan" (whatever that is) running around Google's servers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted February 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Perhaps it's a literal Trojan Horse filled with mini cyber swordsman that hacks away at your PC's internals! But, wouldn't it be the soldiers and not the horse itself that's weaponized in that case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 LOL this suggests the 6.5 Grendel is poorly optimized: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donward Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Not to STROKE my own ego. But I am the one responsible for weaponizing Trojans around these here parts. EHRMAGOD!!! I CAME INTO THE ROOM AND CAUGHT MY PISTOL SHORT STROKING!!!1!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted February 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 LOL this suggests the 6.5 Grendel is poorly optimized: KhandE: Prepare to have your mind blown KhandE: the Wilkes land crater was made by big rock KhandE: it is 3 times larger then Chicxulub, which was caused by small rock KhandE: wilkes land crater lead to the biggest extinction event in known history, Chicxulub was smaller KhandE: therefore, big rock > small rock. KhandE: 6.5mm Grendel > 5.56mm NATO KhandE: QED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.E. Watters Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 AR-180 should weigh exactly the same as an AR-18, minus the auto sear. AR-180B should be substantially lighter, but it's also a piece of shit. Well, more of a piece of shit than the AR-180. I weighed Alex's AR-180 as part of my Weight Omnibus. It is a normal Costa Mesa AR-180 with no modifications. Suffice it to say the "6.7 lbs unloaded" listed by Wikipedia is a total lie. I want to know where that comes from. The 1965 Gun Digest noted the weight of the earliest AR-18 prototypes as 6.3 lbs. The article in question was written after the January 1964 public demonstration for the gun press and military. SAR has mid/late 1960s ArmaLite flyers listing the weight at 3.04 kg or ~6.7 lbs. When the US Army tested the AR-18 in late 1969, their sample weighed 7.37 lbs without the magazine or sling. The report noted a long list of changes in the new AR-18 samples from the samples previously submitted during the 1965 SAWS trials. For example, the barrel extension was larger, the furniture had been changed from polycarbonate to glass-filled nylon, and the walls of the furniture were also thicker. Sturgeon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 The 1965 Gun Digest noted the weight of the earliest AR-18 prototypes as 6.3 lbs. The article in question was written after the January 1964 public demonstration for the gun press and military. SAR has mid/late 1960s ArmaLite flyers listing the weight at 3.04 kg or ~6.7 lbs. When the US Army tested the AR-18 in late 1969, their sample weighed 7.37 lbs without the magazine or sling. The report noted a long list of changes in the new AR-18 samples from the samples previously submitted during the 1965 SAWS trials. For example, the barrel extension was larger, the furniture had been changed from polycarbonate to glass-filled nylon, and the walls of the furniture were also thicker. I knew it would be Daniel Watters with the save! D.E. Watters 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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D.E. Watters Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 I knew it would be Daniel Watters with the save! It might also be worthwhile to check the AR-18's weight from the SAWS trials reports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm_kruger Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 In other words, a terrible firearm. Probably still better than the Magal. (which, IIRC, was a M1 Carbine that blimped out to 8lbs after hurting it's back, and had polymer furniture that supposedly melted from repeated firing) Probably a mix of the rarity effect, and from being under 7 pounds unloaded in the '60s, maybe. And also the sheet metal construction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Probably still better than the Magal. (which, IIRC, was a M1 Carbine that blimped out to 8lbs after hurting it's back, and had polymer furniture that supposedly melted from repeated firing) No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tied Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Not to STROKE my own ego. But I am the one responsible for weaponizing Trojans around these here parts. Thats a magnum you serf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donward Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Thats a magnum you serf Trojan Magnum for my .357. I'm sure they're a rare item in Soviet Putin Russia given what I see on the educational Internet videos... *Laughs maniacally* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.E. Watters Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 FWIW: The Magal was roughly a Micro Galil rechambered for .30 Carbine, not a converted M1 Carbine. Sturgeon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collimatrix Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Yep. The Hezi was the converted M1 carbine, Magal was a Kalashnikov that went through the dryer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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