Sturgeon Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 8 minutes ago, Donward said: To me, the fact that he had the know how to plan out this event, knowing that his hotel room had a perfect two way kill zone into the arena and the lead up to this is even more baffling than the weapons and how he got them. How does an accountant/real estate investor think like that? Howd he get the training to keep those weapons going full cyclic for - I guess - 70 minutes now? Why did he plan this while his girlfriend or whatever is overseas? Why a country music venue filled with off duty first responders and army vets? And we've been hearing stuff about explosives, him setting up cameras in the hotel. This is surreal. Even not taking into account conspiracy theories kicking around. Yes it is. This is really strange, some elements are what you'd expect from fantasy fulfillment, some feel professional, some feel well-organized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scolopax Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 Concerning the possible ISIS connection that has been brought up, I am of the opinion that with their continual losses happening in Syria and Iraq, the groups is merely looking for publicity on the global stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApplesauceBandit Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 17 minutes ago, Walter_Sobchak said: Personally, I will be withholding judgement until I hear Alex Jone's take on events. I am sure that he will have "the truth." 12 minutes ago, Ramlaen said: "antifa" If you were woke enough, you'd know that you've already been told! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 7 minutes ago, Sturgeon said: Post the photo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 Someone who supposedly saw police photos says scumbag used AR-15s with bipods, scopes, holosights, SlideFire stocks and lots and lots of 100 round SureFire coffin mags. Fuck me, it sounds like he was using the InRange "bump-SAW" trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 InfoWars is off down the 'second-shooter' trail already, but it did point me to this: Las Vegas PD Radio: https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=378_1506956902 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 Apparently, how they found the guy's specific position was he shot a Security guard through a door. On a personal level I find that horrifiying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scolopax Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, Sturgeon said: Someone who supposedly saw police photos says scumbag used AR-15s with bipods, scopes, holosights, SlideFire stocks and lots and lots of 100 round SureFire coffin mags. Fuck me, it sounds like he was using the InRange "bump-SAW" trick. So, weapon-wise, this is about what the guy was using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 Just now, Scolopax said: So, weapon-wise, this is about what the guy was using? That is what I am hearing from a reliable source, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T___A Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 According ABC at least one was a bump stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulric Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Well, we know one thing, if this guy had even thought about voting for Trump it would be the only goddamn thing on the news. Sturgeon, T___A, Jeeps_Guns_Tanks and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulric Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Pardon me while I don my tin-foil hat, but my pattern recognition has kicked in. We have heard that there is no apparent motive behind this shooting, and on the face of it, I would believe that they haven't found one yet. However, how many times in the past did we hear that there was "no apparent motive" when the motive was clear as day to anyone with half a brain, but the motive was against the narrative that influential figures in the media do not want portrayed. I can think of two right off the bat. The DC baseball practice attack that was clearly a politically motivated assassination attempt against Republican law-makers was one. Some people still had trouble finding the motive for that, even after discovering a list of lawmakers in his pocket, the various facebook and other social media groups that he was apart of that openly advocated violence, etc. The other that comes to mind was the pulse night club shooting, were they had the hardest damn time figuring out what the shooter meant when he yelled "Allahu Akbar". They even went so far as to translate the phrase into English when reporting it, instead of quoting the actual words that were said. I also just thought of the Fort Hood shooting, which was "workplace violence", and most certainly had nothing to do with that strange "Allahu Akbar" phrase that keeps getting tossed around. Ok, enough tin-foil hat time for me. Time to rewatch that Alex Jones clip.... Jeeps_Guns_Tanks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 21 minutes ago, Ulric said: Ok, enough tin-foil hat time for me. Time to rewatch that Alex Jones clip.... That shit will rot your brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulric Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 But, it stirs my inner McCarthyist Sgt.Squarehead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApplesauceBandit Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 While we're on the topic of interesting theories. That search has the posts shown last to first, but anon said his vegas/casino happening would happen the 12th of last month, so not as close as the water filter merchant and his october revolution theory http://archive.fo/aVnvk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donward Posted October 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 The pattern normally with these shooters is they think of themselves as a victim and through no fault of their own some OTHER is responsible for their lot in life. Narcissists. Another I guess is they've comvinced themselves that other people are objects and not human beings. There. That's the extent of my FBI profiler training. Can I be interviewed as an expert now on CNN? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 25 minutes ago, ApplesauceBandit said: While we're on the topic of interesting theories. That search has the posts shown last to first, but anon said his vegas/casino happening would happen the 12th of last month, so not as close as the water filter merchant and his october revolution theory http://archive.fo/aVnvk There is a lot of LARPing on 4chan and the last post pretty much gives that one away. I also doubt someone with almost no online presence would even be aware of 4chan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApplesauceBandit Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 It came off to me as someone LARPING about a totally going to happen 9/11 happening, still found it interesting that it was fairly recent and talking about Vegas. With so many LARPers, a few people will end up accidentally close to the truth. I feel like there were some people trying to say even just September 23rd was going to have a big happening or something, but if the world ended then, I must have missed that fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter_Sobchak Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Poking around internet articles led me to this video showing how the gat crank works. Sounds like this is not what the Vegas shooter was using, but it seems like it might have worked if he had had the gun stablized somehow. Seems like it would be pretty hard to aim without some sort of extra support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Walter_Sobchak said: Poking around internet articles led me to this video showing how the gat crank works. Sounds like this is not what the Vegas shooter was using, but it seems like it might have worked if he had had the gun stablized somehow. Seems like it would be pretty hard to aim without some sort of extra support. Couple of the reports have said there were scoped rifles on Tripods. Might work, especially if he added an electrical drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter_Sobchak Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Also, lets hope that Jerry Miculek never goes off the deep end. That dude would be dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Walter_Sobchak said: Also, lets hope that Jerry Miculek never goes off the deep end. That dude would be dangerous. Heh, funny you should bring him up. I was talking with a friend on FB about it and I mentioned that Jerry would be one of the few who could possibly effectively return fire from the target area with a pistol. (Roughly 412 yards was the guesstimate of range, accounting for height difference) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donward Posted October 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, Walter_Sobchak said: Also, lets hope that Jerry Miculek never goes off the deep end. That dude would be dangerous. 6 minutes ago, Belesarius said: Heh, funny you should bring him up. I was talking with a friend on FB about it and I mentioned that Jerry would be one of the few who could possibly effectively return fire from the target area with a pistol. (Roughly 412 yards was the guesstimate of range, accounting for height difference) Curiously, Dan Bilzerian was there at the concert. He's the multi-millionaire World Series of Poker/Instagram celeb/gun guy who poses with half naked women while firing fully automatic weapons from the backs of Galopagos turtles (or something like that). https://www.instagram.com/danbilzerian/?hl=en The guy went back to his rig, grabbed his personal AR and was wandering around the crime scene assisting the cops clearing buildings or some such thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter_Sobchak Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 I'm pretty sure if I had a gun in my truck during a mass shooting, the last thing I would do is carry it around while the cops are responding to the scene. Sounds like a good way to get shot by the police. Sgt.Squarehead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Walter_Sobchak said: I'm pretty sure if I had a gun in my truck during a mass shooting, the last thing I would do is carry it around while the cops are responding to the scene. Sounds like a good way to get shot by the police. Yeah, that would be my thinking unless I could get a police jacket for IFF and was with a cop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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