GLORIOUS T-14 ARMATA PICTURES.

[Tied]

 

 

T-14 might become unmanned eventually, but it is a long way off. 

 

I will be dead and long cold in the ground before the words "Russian tanker" become an oxymoron 

[Scolopax]

Not entirely sure of the authenticity.

 

 

 

Kaktus ERA is a contemporal generation ERA and it's lighter that Relikt (`2.3t). Its kit weights like Contact-V (K-5) with 1.5t, and it intially was intended for T-80 modernisation including the most advanced variant - T-80M2 (Black Eagle). But it dosent got all the features of Relikt like protection against tandem warheads. Thus, at the end the standartisated T-72/T-80 modernisation with Relikt ERA was chosen and is going on now. However, an ERA on Kaktus technology is offered for instalation on the light armored vehicles like BMP-3 and BMP-2 , its characteristics are as follow (according to the developer NII Stali
All-round protection against PG-9S grenades:
- with і 0.8 probability in the areas covered by ERA tiles;
- with і 0.5 probability in the areas covered by grill screens.
No breach of the main armor when hit by AT grenades.
Protection against AP bullets:
- 12.7mm B-32 AP bullets - point-blank;
- 14.5mm B-32 AP bullets - at 50m.
Hull protection against 30mm AP ammunition at firing angles of ±30° at 0m.
Reduction of irretrievable losses of vehicles by a factor of 5
Increase of possibility of vehicle combat efficiency restoration by a factor of 8
Reduction of irretrievable losses of the crew and troops by a factor of 12
Total weight of the kit: 4,150 kg. 
- I think, its weight is so big because they use the foam-plastic filler in the boxes to keep buoyancy.

http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/army-security-forces/t-90-comparison-western-armour-5288-2/#post74620

[Mike E]

There was a Russian that made a post on Armoured Warfare saying that the T-14 was going to get Nakidka 2 camouflage,  Improved Kaktus Electric reactive armour and the 2A83-1M gun,  Funny that he's posts were deleted and both he's Russian and English accounts were permanently banned, I know of this from kittyhugs who reposted he's posts.

 

But the first time i saw that Kaktus was a Electric reactive armour was from kittyhugs reposts and he likes to Troll,  Isn't Kaktus a explosive reactive armour?,  Kaktus was on the Object 640 back in 1999 yes?,  why has it not been put into service for like 15 years now?,  Didnt Kaktus and Relikt start development in the 1980s?,  So either Kaktus is (Crap) (to Expensive) (to Complicated) or just not ready for use yet.

No such thing as "Nakidna-2". From what I heard it is a new RAM paint that also hides IR/thermal radiation, rather than being a fabric. Kaktus never properly finished development and was only intended for the Object-640. No such thing as a "2A83-1M" gun either...it is 2A82-1M, but that was confirmed a long time ago. 

 

Russia hasn't put much thought into electric armor, because it is practically pointless, a waste of energy, and has no use against KE rounds. Kaktus isn't in service because it probably can't be adapted to current models, and Relikt is seemingly superior anyway. 

[Collimatrix]

Why would electrical armor be useless against KE rounds?  Put enough juice between those plates and it will vaporize an LRP, same as a HEAT jet.

[Mike E]

Some guy debunked that possibility a while ago, forget where though. Supposedly the only way it can work is if the rod/jet tranfers energy from one area to another, and that isn't possible with Tungsten or DU rods. 

[Collimatrix]

I... see.

 

Is the conventional explanation for how electrical armor works completely wrong?  That's the only way I can see it not working on KE threats.

[Mike E]

I... see.

 

Is the conventional explanation for how electrical armor works completely wrong?  That's the only way I can see it not working on KE threats.

Actually it is correct, but it is only effective against jets, preferably copper ones. 

[Collimatrix]

Actually it is correct, but it is only effective against jets, preferably copper ones. 

 

That doesn't make sense.  If it works by heating up copper jets when they close the circuit, it should work against LRPs if given enough juice.  LRPs are conductive too (actually, anything is with enough voltage).

[Mike E]

But not conductive enough, or something like that. I'll try finding the original information, but I'm certain it concluded little to no effectiveness again KE.

Afganit is great but it can not be relied on, so reactive armor is still necessary.

[Collimatrix]

I would be pretty damn dubious of any tank that dispensed with passive protection entirely in favor of active measures unless it was a super-lightweight airborne vehicle or something.

 

The enemy just needs to figure out some clever countermeasure for your APS and suddenly you're naked.

[Mike E]

That is exactly what Future Combat System was all about... Lightweight vehicles with no armor, that relied on APS systems for defense. Rather dumb idea if you ask me.

[LoooSeR]

APS is not better than passive armor, they are not a same thing. APS adds a layer of protection, but it simlly can't replace actual armor. Kurganets-25 got big side armor modules with ERA or NERA, Bumerang don't have APS at all. T-15 have protection level higher than any previous tank in Russian Army, so it don't rely on APS for protection.

And Zaslon APS is crap.

[LoooSeR]

Fresh photo of the T-14 and T-15.

 

Turret service hatch is open, BTW. It might be preparations for RAE 2015, but there is no accurate information on that.

[LoooSeR]

This thread is about vehicle, we have dedicated AW thread.

 

http://sturgeonshouse.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/694-the-armored-warfare-disappointment-thread/

 

 

I think selling UTP/UGP will be a bad idea in long run.

[LoooSeR]

From "Echo of Moscow" radio programm about RAE-2015.

Khalitov is Deputy. Director of "Uralvagonzavod" for special equipment.

"....

Naryshkin - In what state is "Armata" now, are we ready to supply our armed forces?

Khalitov - Now "Armata", in accordance with the stages of development work, is being tested. We hope that these tests are successful, and are confident that they will be successful.

 

A.Naryshkin- In what year?

Khalitov - I think, in 2018, we will start serial production.

 

Naryshkin - Is there any orders for pre-serial vehicles?

Khalitov - Of course. We have a pilot batch for the parade, it is small pre-serial production.

 

Naryshkin - At the parade there were 12 vehicles?

Khalitov - 24. Twelve T-15s and the twelve T-14s.

 

Naryshkin- They want a hundred of them?

Khalitov - In fact, this figure is closed, but the Ministry of Defence will ensure a smooth entry into the serial production of this machine, it is very correct in terms of putting into production. Previously we've been waiting for, when the machine will pass all tests, it will be adopted, and only then begin to prepare the production, now this process is in parallel. We are simultaneously testing vehicles, bring it completely up to all the requirements that specified by the Ministry of Defense, and in parallel to this we prepare for production.

 

Naryshkin - in 2018?

Khalitov - Yes, it will become serial vehicle.

 

Naryshkin - Remarkable.

Kurennoy - Since our last program, and have had time to look at the "Armata" from all sides, experts discussed the pictures. Maybe you have something new to tell us?

Khalitov - I'm ready to tell you in more detail, of course. Especially focus on multi-level protection of the machine, which consists of 4 systems. The first system - a system to prevent detection. We have applied this stells technology, radio-absorbing materials, special paint and rational architecture of the vehicle itself. That is, there are radiation sources inside of the machine, and so their rational distribution in the internal volume also reduces the visibility of the platform in infrared, radar spectrum. Perhaps this is the first system.

 

A.Kurennoy- Stealth tank?

Khalitov- Well, yes, we made a stealth tank. The second system - a system to prevent hitting a tank. To do this, we used three active systems. First of all, hard-kill and soft-kill systems, the technology is about physical destruction of incoming rounds like "Arena", certainly with different characteristics. It is, in fact, detects and eliminates ammunition. Moreover, the range of ...

 

A.Naryshkin- How it manages to destroy them?

Khalitov- We have achieved needed performance. A munition fly towards incoming projectile. There are special system designed to destroy incoming rounds.

 

A.Naryshkin- Any shells from the ground and from the air?

Khalitov- Any. From antitank grenade and to almost large-caliber armor-piercing projectile.

 

A.Naryshkin- It is unkillable tank?

Khalitov- Well, we can not say that. First, there is a limited number of such munitions, infinitely number of the is impossible to carry. 

The second technology is a "soft-kill" technology, which allows us to establish a barrier at the trajectory of approach of the round. For example, firing a special aerosol cloud, which allows you to completely hide the silhouette of the vehicle. There is a metal, in the cloud, and laser pointed atthe cloud is no longer capable to measure the distance to our tank, and thus it is impossible to define, and calculate the trajectory of the rocket or some shell.

 

A.Naryshkin- So, there is a protection of the tank when the projectile is already flying to you, and there is protection when enemy only tries to aim at you.

Khalitov- Yeah, just trying to find you. As soon as he try find it, we have to react.

 

A.Naryshkin- You said that there is a third level of protection.

Khalitov- There are electromagnetic protection. This protection is designed for the remote detonation of munitions that have magnetometric sensors, fuses. That is, the magnetic sensors are mounted on a mine or munition. You know that the tank have a kind of magnetic field, they respond to it and explode. So we created a system that detonates such mines earlier. Detect it, even if it is buried in the ground, this system detects and detonate them. Here are three active protection system. Suppose that all the two systems ordnance still managed to overcame and managed to hit a machine. So the is a counteraction to it, is definitely unique for today, perhaps in this world - a completely new and unique armor. Our Ural armor, designed specifically for this machine. And the second point - is, of course, removable modular protective devices, with dynamic protection of new generation.

 

A.Naryshkin- These are those boxes?

V.Halitov- Yes, these are boxes in which there is a special explosive. If you hit it, it explode and damage projectile, it falls apart.

....

 

 

 

[LoooSeR]

How so if Russia gets money out of it/its a good thing,  And this is not the cold war were Russia sales T-54s and T-72Ms to the ME and the Russian army has (T-64BVs) (T-72BAs) and T-80Us,  Russia can make a lot more money if they sale new top of the line stuff,  And India has made big orders for T-90S/MS and India may be the first to get 500 T-14s,  And let's not forget China with all there big money.

As i said in long run this is bad idea. For fast cashing in - it maybe good, but Armata should be used only by Russian army in next 10 years, IMO.

[LoooSeR]

How is it bad please explain,  As all I see is buys buying T-14s and other AFVs and getting new top of the line stuff and Russia gets money = Win Win

Here is my problem.

[LoooSeR]

Doesn't mean that we should sell them everything we have. Anyway, this is pointless discussion.

[Mike E]

The service hatch picture is great, and considering, it's really not all that thin.

And the interview confirmed an anti-mine system of sorts.

Great posting LoooSeR.

[LoooSeR]

I want to point at color of internal part of that hatch - white. White is used for parts of a tank with crew :-) I suspect some talks soon about secret Putin loaders from Buryatiya or screams about turret not being unmanned and that the reason why gunner don't have a hatch in hull is be ause he is in turret!

[Collimatrix]

I dunno.  The white paint reflects light better, so even if it's just a service hatch for unmanned components, it would make sense to paint the inside of the turret white so that mechanics can see what they're doing better.

 

Also, if you're going to a one-man turret, it makes more sense to put the commander in the turret, not the gunner.  The gunner's sensors can all be routed to a station in the hull, no problem really.  The commander really would benefit from the ability to poke their head out, especially if the camera coverage isn't perfect yet.

[LoooSeR]

But commander position was already spotted and it is in hull! Only gunner wasn't seen around, so now we know where Putin put in his replacable battle bears gunners....

[Collimatrix]

How do we know that wasn't the gunner saluting from the hull during the parade?

[Khand-e]

How do we know that wasn't the gunner saluting from the hull during the parade?

 

How do we know the crew was there at all and Putin didn't capture secret tech from the US involving the Tupac hologram designed for military purposes?!

[LoooSeR]

First page of this thread, vick.