Tied Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Enough debating JapCrap®, lets get back to laughing at /K/ shitposters The Garand was a superior rifle to the G43. The rifleman was not. The average US GI was poorly trained conscript who used artillery and infantry support tanks as a crutch to make up for their poor performance. The G43 wouldn't give away to the enemy that you have an empty chamber at the end of a magazine.Also 10 rounds>8G43 was superior Before you get out your pitchforks, unlike tank forums, the wehraboo's are in the vast minority Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex C. Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 You would honestly say, with a straight face, that the Mosin Nagant was the best bolt action rifle used in World War II? Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 He is a good man. Nothing he said or did struck me as particularly odd or off-putting. I understand it perfectly: His father literally wrote the book on Japanese small arms and passed his enthusiasm on to his son. Easy to drink the kool aid when your parents are serving it I suppose. I think we can all identify with that. I should have stated that differently. Yeah, his dad is the obvious source, but Ian's generally a fairly even-handed and rational fellow, and I'm not seeing any rational reason to be impressed by Japanese small arms. Now, were they all junk like some think? Clearly not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 You would honestly say, with a straight face, that the Mosin Nagant was the best bolt action rifle used in World War II? Why? Elan, Alex. Tied is from Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex C. Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Elan, Alex. Tied is from Russia. Sure, but I know very few people who let their nationality dictate which firearms they prefer. Lord knows neither of us do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Personally my top ten bolt list for world war 2 would be: 1. Mosin 2. Enfleild 3. Kar/Ariska MAS 36 is the best. Sure, but I know very few people who let their nationality dictate which firearms they prefer. Lord knows neither of us do. Neither of us have a whole platoon of relatives who fought the Nazis with M91s, either. I'd imagine he feels it's the top one because it's the one that's most meaningful to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex C. Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 MAS 36 is the best. Neither of us have a whole platoon of relatives who fought the Nazis while using Mosin-Nagants, either. I'd imagine he feels it's the top one because it's the one that's most meaningful to him. I can appreciate the fact that the rifle may be dear to Russians and have a certain cultural significance, but neither of those factors are relevant when determining the best of anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Out of everything that was in service in WWII, I think the Mosin is about the most widely available and cheaply shootable. I think that says something about it. (coming from a country that just retired the .303 Enfield recently) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tied Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 You would honestly say, with a straight face, that the Mosin Nagant was the best bolt action rifle used in World War II? Why? You would honestly say, with a straight face, that the Mosin Nagant wasn't the best bolt action rifle used in World War II? Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Mosin was nothing really interesting, just "average" rifle of those times. Like AR-15 now in US Those things you mount when attach suppressor to your AK-74. I actually didn't knew that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted July 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Winchester Model 70 best rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Fight Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 The G11 will come back, I swear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex C. Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 You would honestly say, with a straight face, that the Mosin Nagant wasn't the best bolt action rifle used in World War II? Why? - A very stubborn bayonet that is not easy to attach or remove properly - Tendency to stick closed when hot, requiring a blunt object to open - Barrels often drilled off center - Barrels often not straight due to a lack of proper equipment - Susceptible to rim lock despite design elements present to prevent it - A magazine that protrudes from the bottom of the gun - "Safety" that is comically difficult to operate - Horrendous trigger even for a military rifle Like I said, I can appreciate the cultural and historical significance of the firearm however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 AK-74M and TOW in use by ISIS Chechens terrorists ("Imarat Kavkaz"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 - A very stubborn bayonet that is not easy to attach or remove properly- Tendency to stick closed when hot, requiring a blunt object to open - Barrels often drilled off center - Barrels often not straight due to a lack of proper equipment - Susceptible to rim lock despite design elements present to prevent it - A magazine that protrudes from the bottom of the gun - "Safety" that is comically difficult to operate - Horrendous trigger even for a military rifle Like I said, I can appreciate the cultural and historical significance of the firearm however. Worth noting that at least a couple of those issues are normally the result of cosmoline not being thoroughly enough removed from the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tied Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 - A very stubborn bayonet that is not easy to attach or remove properly twist, and, pull if you've successfully jacked off, you can successfully operate its bayonet - Tendency to stick closed when hot, requiring a blunt object to open good thing the eastern front wasnt fought in north Africa - Barrels often drilled off center - Barrels often not straight due to a lack of proper equipment What type of ten gallon hickery is this, read about the eastern front sometimes, the red army didnt extactly have the best materials avaibable to manufacturer anything after having the country swept up the invasion. The fact that they produced a rifle that was accurate up to 500 meters and realible for the conditions is something of a mericale. And from personal experience, im more accuarte with a mosin than any other bolt ive ever fired - Susceptible to rim lock despite design elements present to prevent it Being a mosin owner for 23 years, i have never experienced this, you know your supposed to clean your rifle right? - A magazine that protrudes from the bottom of the gun what's wrong tovarisch? not elagant enough for you? - "Safety" that is comically difficult to operate keep finger off trigger, weapon is safe - Horrendous trigger even for a military rifle Whats wrong tovarisch? you want it to be more confortable, why dont you go ask the germans for some velvet finger guard's Rifle is fine Rifle if anything, is damn good for what situation the country was in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex C. Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 "The rifle is bad because the country was in rough shape at the time" or "well, we did not have the equipment to make our rifles as good as the other folks" does not serve to strengthen the argument that the Mosin Nagant is good relative to competing designs. While I have no reason to dispute your accuracy claims, my own trials with various Mosin rifles have left me very unsatisfied. I would not be so bold as to say it is definitively the worst WWII military bolt gun, but I personally would place it near the bottom of the hierarchy based on my own experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tied Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Maybe its the sights for me but i cant hit small targets at 300 meters like i can with a mosin with any other non-scoped bolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 There is no more futile an endeavor than to argue with a Russian, Alex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex C. Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Lol. Were there not an ocean and a great amount of land between us and Tied, a very spirited discussion over some firewater would be in order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 It is just Tied's emotions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Lol. Were there not an ocean and a great amount of land between us and Tied, a very spirited discussion over some firewater would be in order. Tied, are you still in Louisiana, or have you left yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tied Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 I have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 British Pathe is one of the best YouTube gun channels - and it isn't even a gun channel. Their video organization is crap, so if you want their gun videos, you have to search for 'em. Also, shame that, Tied. LostCosmonaut 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donward Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 With the Mosin, I suppose the question is how well it does in the environment it was built to fight in (General Winter) and how well it does there compared to the other rifles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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