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I doubt that Adam is unaware of that fact, Don. That the suspensions are taking place under the guise of being Copyright violations is the issue here.

I'm sure. I've never heard of Cool Cats or any of the the characters involved. As someone who is coming into this completely out of the blue, it just kind of seems to me that the lede of the story is buried.

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I agree with the choice of the Starship Enterprise, but not at all for the reasons NdGT gave:

 



SSE is bigger, more powerful, more advanced, and saves assloads of delta-V by having teleporters. The Falcon is cool and all, but the Enterprise is a hilariously more capable ship.

 

Now, SSE or an Imperial Star Destroyer is a much, much better question...

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I am watching the fourth episode of TNG.

Star Trek is such a perfect manifestation of detached Progressivism that it's difficult to put exactly into words. I think it's hilarious that Randian commercialists are portrayed as crouching Space troglodytes.

 

Also, apparently every alien race ever treats "females" like shit. I wonder how much Gene Roddenberry got laid in college for being a sensitive egalitarian feminist...

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I agree with the choice of the Starship Enterprise, but not at all for the reasons NdGT gave:

 

SSE is bigger, more powerful, more advanced, and saves assloads of delta-V by having teleporters. The Falcon is cool and all, but the Enterprise is a hilariously more capable ship.

 

Now, SSE or an Imperial Star Destroyer is a much, much better question...

Teleporters means that any Federation ship should be able to curb-stomp fleets of Empire ships before getting taken down. Especially if you pull the nasty trick of disabling the safeties and dumping the enemy's reactor core into his bridge.

 

 

I am watching the fourth episode of TNG.

Star Trek is such a perfect manifestation of detached Progressivism that it's difficult to put exactly into words. I think it's hilarious that Randian commercialists are portrayed as crouching Space troglodytes.

 

Also, apparently every alien race ever treats "females" like shit. I wonder how much Gene Roddenberry got laid in college for being a sensitive egalitarian feminist...

It's not like Gene had too much to do with TNG.

 

TOS certainly had a progressive/utopian streak, but it also had plenty of stuff that points to a creator more interesting in telling fantastic adventure-type stories than delving too deeply into the socio-political aspects of the Federation.

 

Edit: my bad. Still, the Gene's uber-utopian Federation of TNG seems to have had as much to do with scientology as a desire by an old man to retroactively get laid in his 20's. More.

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I am watching the fourth episode of TNG.

Star Trek is such a perfect manifestation of detached Progressivism that it's difficult to put exactly into words. I think it's hilarious that Randian commercialists are portrayed as crouching Space troglodytes.

 

Also, apparently every alien race ever treats "females" like shit. I wonder how much Gene Roddenberry got laid in college for being a sensitive egalitarian feminist...

 

I never got over that TNG episode where the Federation wouldnt save a people whose planet was dying because "it wasnt their place to interfere"

 

 

The whole concept of the whatever protocol is bullshit and that whole episode rubbed me the wrong way 

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I agree with the choice of the Starship Enterprise, but not at all for the reasons NdGT gave:

 

SSE is bigger, more powerful, more advanced, and saves assloads of delta-V by having teleporters. The Falcon is cool and all, but the Enterprise is a hilariously more capable ship.

 

Now, SSE or an Imperial Star Destroyer is a much, much better question...

 

Imperial star destroyer, no question if you talk to anyone who has done the math or read the posts of any cheeseburger addicted Russian who watched someone else do the math

 

Any star Destroyer is by default much bigger, eons more advanced in terms of power generation and is a warship first.

 

Sure the SSE has like teleporters and other shit like that, but the Star Destroyer will blast you out of low orbit while he simultaneously lands armored Naval brigades to liberate your colonies and then hyperspace jumps to the next planet faster than your communication signal

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Imperial start destroyer, no question if you talk to anyone who has done the math or read the posts of any cheeseburger addicted Russian who watched someone else do the math

 

Any star Destroyer is by default much bigger, eons more advanced in terms of power generation and is a warship first.

 

Sure the SSE has like teleporters and other shit like that, but the Star Destroyer will blast you out of low orbit while he simultaneously lands armored Naval brigades to liberate your colonies and then hyperspace jumps to the next planet faster than your communication signal

Doesn't mean shit when you can stick explosive devices in the bridge at will. The range of a teleporter is at least hundreds of kilometres (to allow transport to surface from low orbit), and probably more like thousands of kilometres (to allow for transport from higher orbits). Star Wars battles are shown as happening at knife-fighting range (including freaking crew-served weapons firing ship-to-ship!), so the Enterprise can just sit outside of range and stuff Star Destroyers full of photon torpedo warheads until it runs out of them.

 

Really the only thing that would allow this to be a fair fight is that greatest nemesis of science-fiction characters: a complete lack of imagination.

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Im assuming your citing the scene in Episode 3, where two ships had to brodisde at a couple of kilometers so it could be boarded by Jedi to rescure Supereme Challancer of the republic

 

so lets just assume that every fight is like this

 

ship mounted turbolasers arent the only weapons in star wars, there are also 

 

fighters, an Imperial star destroyer can deploy a few wings of Twin Ion engine fighters and bombers, most importantly bombers which can hurel proton torpeados and missiles at ships from range

 

Dont forget long ranged missiles, i dont think the Enterprise has any CWIS available to fend off waves of Diamond-boron missiles

 

 

obligatory: 

 

 

 

http://www.scifights.net/SciFights.net/Federation_vs_Empire.html

 

 

http://www.scifights.net/SciFights.net/Star_Wars.html

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Combat in Star Trek is a space opera analog to frigates and sailing ships with TOS and Captain Kirk literally being Horatio Hornblower. The is implicitly stated by the number of times old sailing captains are brought up in all of the series.

Star Wars is World War 2 bomber and fighter/aircraft cariier combat in space. This is because Lucas directly ripped off - I mean - pays homage to old war movies of the 40s and 50s.

As for TNG, Nathaniel, you are going through a couple years of shitty episodes of Prime Directive felatio, holo deck room malfunctioning, Wil Wheaton saving the day and 1980s/1990s San Francisco politics.

The series on really starts getting good when the Borg come and the crew is allowed to start killing species and fucking up shif.

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Teleporters means that any Federation ship should be able to curb-stomp fleets of Empire ships before getting taken down. Especially if you pull the nasty trick of disabling the safeties and dumping the enemy's reactor core into his bridge.

It's not like Gene had too much to do with TNG.

TOS certainly had a progressive/utopian streak, but it also had plenty of stuff that points to a creator more interesting in telling fantastic adventure-type stories than delving too deeply into the socio-political aspects of the Federation.

Edit: my bad. Still, the Gene's uber-utopian Federation of TNG seems to have had as much to do with scientology as a desire by an old man to retroactively get laid in his 20's. More.

*links to popsci and io9*

-B&-

I keed.

WRT, GR's love life, I more meant the philosophy and worldview expressed in TNG so far closely reminds me of the kind of whinging you get from some college males about how everyone around them is just a bunch of horrid misogynists. This has become more high profile recently, of course, but so far as I know it has been around for a while. Somehow, I imagine GR at an earlier stage of life being like this, and then kind of carrying that attitude forward to where it's expressed in TNG.

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Doesn't mean shit when you can stick explosive devices in the bridge at will. The range of a teleporter is at least hundreds of kilometres (to allow transport to surface from low orbit), and probably more like thousands of kilometres (to allow for transport from higher orbits). Star Wars battles are shown as happening at knife-fighting range (including freaking crew-served weapons firing ship-to-ship!), so the Enterprise can just sit outside of range and stuff Star Destroyers full of photon torpedo warheads until it runs out of them.

 

Really the only thing that would allow this to be a fair fight is that greatest nemesis of science-fiction characters: a complete lack of imagination.

Transporters get interfered with and blocked when someone blinks at them funny, it's an unwarranted assumption that they'd work fine through the exotic shielding and armor plate of an ISD. Not to mention that the sheer strategic mobility advantage the Empire has, with hyperdrives that can cross the entire galaxy in days, means the Empire will always dictate the terms of engagement.

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I never got over that TNG episode where the Federation wouldnt save a people whose planet was dying because "it wasnt their place to interfere"

 

 

The whole concept of the whatever protocol is bullshit and that whole episode rubbed me the wrong way 

I also like how Federation captains ignore that supposedly important directive all the time and never get punished for it.

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Transporters get interfered with and blocked when someone blinks at them funny, it's an unwarranted assumption that they'd work fine through the exotic shielding and armor plate of an ISD. Not to mention that the sheer strategic mobility advantage the Empire has, with hyperdrives that can cross the entire galaxy in days, means the Empire will always dictate the terms of engagement.

 

And this is assuming that the Empire wont be implementing Gravity well ships, which it loves to do, everywhere

 

Which would not only prevent any Federation ship from going to warp, but also render any guided weapons useless, so goodbye photon torpedoes 

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And this is assuming that the Empire wont be implementing Gravity well ships, which it loves to do, everywhere

 

Which would not only prevent any Federation ship from going to warp, but also render any guided weapons useless, so goodbye photon torpedoes 

Not to mention that photon torpedoes have utterly pathetic yields by SW standards, they're on the order of double digit megatons while ISDs are slinging hundreds of gigatons.

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The Empire is the Baddies. The Federation are the good guys. Therefore a deux ex machina will occur to allow an away team led by 80 percent of the Enterprise's ranking officer and an expendable Red Shirt to blow up/peace talk the Empire into surrender while Kirk beds some Slave girl and Scotty literally does everything to keep the Enterprise running.

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Not to mention that photon torpedoes have utterly pathetic yields by SW standards, they're on the order of double digit megatons while ISDs are slinging hundreds of gigatons.

 

Oh ya dont get me started on yield, the fact that your average Imperial fleet generations more power than most Federation civilizations have probably used in their lifetime means that Any Star Destroyer will be at its worst day putting Warbird sized-holes into federation ships 

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