Khand-e Posted March 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Leo 2A6 have wedges like this, acting as spaced armor, but Chinese engineers made them better by adding ceramics/NERA blocks on top of those wedges, trying to damage HEAT jet or make it "interrupted", as i understand. If it is ceramics, it would also resist to APFSDS pretty well, causing deformation of tips/caps. It's supposed to be some type of Ceramic/Cermet for the tiles though, what exactly they're made of is still a secret last I checked. The purple "mounting" modular armor layer is HHS, with the actual green main armor itself being .... quite a few things sandwiched together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted March 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Older type 99 used in a weapons test, with roof cut open by presumably a thermal lance to observe the interior. Note the visible composite layers even in the roof and once again, missing add on armor from the front and roof, the part in red usually being covered by this Roof wide though. LoooSeR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Do you know how much more gun depression Chinese designers managed to squeeze out of such turret designs, as ZTZ-99A/A2 have, compared to Soviet tanks? I feel that turrets have plenty of space for gun breech to be moved up. There is part of turret frontal/roof that is visible under all that add-on cermaics, and it suggest a lot of room for gun breech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted March 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 It's not surprising there's alot of area around the breech, as photos have shown the 99A2 can accept a high velocity 140mm gun with minimal modifications, though it's not certain if any 140mm gunned 99A2 have ever passed trials or are just test beds. Also, the max gun depression is -8 degrees, The 99A2 still has a low turret and body profile so while it's better then older designs, It doesn't get that juicy -10 the Abrams gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 -8 is much better than -3, so it is fine. That light tank maybe even could use it's supension to increase it's effective gun depression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted March 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 AR3 370mm guided MLRS, rocket pods are quick changeable with support vehicle and the system has an effective range in excess of 220km. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 I think China have those things while Russia don't because of all those treaties were signed with USA. Which means that China have ability to build them without having problems that we would have, even if our forces are interested in such weapon. Interesting to see how effective those systems are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnsignExpendable Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 Guns? Where we're going we don't need guns. Khand-e and LoooSeR 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted April 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 Guns? Where we're going we don't need guns. Good video, but in all seriousness, being able to fire off a prepared remote charge without having to expose the shooter or being a much more visible static gun/launcher piece is a pretty good idea. =p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 I don't see a real reasons to use this in actual combat. You can't just start to dig a mounting point of this rockets in the middle of the fight and that trying to aim it with some old and slow methods of pointing this thing at your enemy. If you have an actual ATGM with fast-deploying factory-made and tested mounting system this weapon become useless. It is some kind of partizan/insurgency rockets/mortars, rather than a guns and missiles for seriously equipped regular army. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 It looks funny, but there is an interesting idea behind this cute vehicle: ATGMs? MLRS system... This light vehicle can help to infantry to control vast amounts of China via being able to fit into Mi-8s and transported to remote areas of country. Overall, this small vehicle reminds me 2 things: and this: I had one! Khand-e 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 It's... cute. Kinda like a Gator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Chinese " 'Strykers' ". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted April 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Chinese "WHEELED DEATH TRAPS, BRING BACK THE GAVIN!* Fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted April 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 I don't see a real reasons to use this in actual combat. You can't just start to dig a mounting point of this rockets in the middle of the fight and that trying to aim it with some old and slow methods of pointing this thing at your enemy. If you have an actual ATGM with fast-deploying factory-made and tested mounting system this weapon become useless. It is some kind of partizan/insurgency rockets/mortars, rather than a guns and missiles for seriously equipped regular army. It's more of an ambush weapon honestly as they're really hard to see for any advancing units. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 It's more of an ambush weapon honestly as they're really hard to see for any advancing units. Israelis also had serious problems agaisnt Hezbollah comrades with Kornets, which is not a small ATGM. Reason? Such weapons can be easily concealed anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted April 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Israelis also had serious problems agaisnt Hezbollah comrades with Kornets, which is not a small ATGM. Reason? Such weapons can be easily concealed anyway. They could always just set up a PF-98, HJ-8/11, HJ-12 or HJ-9B if they really wanted a static launcher. =p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 They could always just set up a PF-98, HJ-8/11, HJ-12 or HJ-9B if they really wanted a static launcher. =p Hezbollah ATGM teams were fairly mobile, i can't call Kornet a "static" weapon, even if a single soldier can't carry it. Damn it, Chinese forces have those 8x8 baby BTR-60 to carry that cr@p around! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted April 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Hezbollah ATGM teams were fairly mobile, i can't call Kornet a "static" weapon, even if a single soldier can't carry it. Damn it, Chinese forces have those 8x8 baby BTR-60 to carry that cr@p around! And also the WZ-550! (HJ-9B, up to 1400mm of RHAe penetration and a max range of 6km due to it's two stage design while being about twice as fast as a TOW missile or Kornet.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Kornet subsonic speed is design feature - they didn't wanted to kick too much dust that will create problems for guidance systems (same idea was behind some other Soviet ATGMs and GL-ATGMs). And there is improved Kornet-EM, it was modified after 2006 Lebanon war. Is there any info about HJ-9B guidance method? WZ-550 is in same class as BRDM with Konkurs missiles - light AT vehicle for ambushes. Althoug i feel that HJ-9B should be compared to Khrizantema ATGMs, or Ataka-T missiles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted April 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Kornet subsonic speed is design feature - they didn't wanted to kick too much dust that will create problems for guidance systems (same idea was behind some other Soviet ATGMs and GL-ATGMs). And there is improved Kornet-EM, it was modified after 2006 Lebanon war. Is there any info about HJ-9B guidance method? WZ-550 is in same class as BRDM with Konkurs missiles - light AT vehicle for ambushes. Althoug i feel that HJ-9B should be compared to Khrizantema ATGMs, or Ataka-T missiles. The original is only laser beam riding, however the improved A and B variants can switch between laser beam riding or semi active MMR radar guidance depending on what would work better for the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted April 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 As I've said before, China has a fuckton of different SPAAG and other ground based AA designs, here's another. PGZ-07 SPAAG, much like the PGZ-95 only missiles are optional and it has x2 35x228mm cannons (1,000-1,200 rpm x2) as opposed to x4 25x183mmR autocannons (750 rpm x4) Not sure how I feel about this one since, while a 35mm shell can obviously do more damage and has a similar muzzle velocity, I think rate of fire and area coverage is a very important feature for an AA gun platform. It does sort of disprove a myth that the PLA armed forces won't use a western cartridge caliber though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Not long time ago Russian forces tested programmable 30 mm rounds for Pantsir-1S cannons. I feel that proximity fuses or programmable fuses are better way to improve capabilities of AA system than RoF/caliber changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Is there pictures or schematics of the ZTZ-99A2 autoloader? I want to see that thing. And why turret is so big on this thing? I hope that they don't use T-84 Oplot/T-90M-like box for ammunition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted April 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Not long time ago Russian forces tested programmable 30 mm rounds for Pantsir-1S cannons. I feel that proximity fuses or programmable fuses are better way to improve capabilities of AA system than RoF/caliber changes. They actually do have semi guided SAPHEI and programmable/proximity fragmenting shells similar to the "AHEAD" shells made for the gun system. LoooSeR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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