D.E. Watters Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Could be poorly stabilized, or we're seeing fleet yaw. I suspect that it is also being fired with handloaded ammunition, so the velocity and projectile specs may not be adequate for proper accuracy and penetration. Sturgeon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collimatrix Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 One-in-a-billion shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meplat Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 This video has always left me with a few questions. Like, why is the projo pitching nose-down so badly and why is the penetration so shit when 76mm can go straight through both a 50mm plate and a car? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z07GuOeVQjE&index=4&list=PL2bcsYp3duwPujBWiFAsV5Gqq1bQuevNB Because that is the one the Hamiltons restored, and it saw a very hard (if at best indifferent) postwar life, meaning the bore is less than perfectly pristine (or concentric), and the shot is likely a turned down 3" projo, with the obturator band reduced a skosh more than really needed, to reduce the chance of a very bad "whoops" if pressure spikes. The shot Mr Dolan used for the L&L shot was (IIRC) a proper unfired 76mm AP projo, atop a proper (full house) load. Toxn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LoooSeR Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 Ukrainian army soldier with ACR (?) Collimatrix 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 Weapons of ex-head of RusHydro, found in his house during investigation. Looks like there is plenty of western weapons like ACR and AR-15s. All guns are legal, BTW, so it they were not taken by police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collimatrix Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 Ukrainian army soldier with ACR (?) Yep, definitely an ACR. The charging handle slot on the MSBS extends over the ejection port. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted July 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 First the Tavor, now the ACR. Is Ukraine trying to outdo the UK and India? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 Looks like France is getting out of the bullpup game. They downselected to the FN SCAR and HK416. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 Stumbled on this gem of cdrsalamander being wrong, wrong, wrong about M855A1: http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2013/07/so-anyone-consult-infantryman-on-this.html?m=1 Oedipus Wreckx-n-Effect 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex C. Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 Looks like France is getting out of the bullpup game. They downselected to the FN SCAR and HK416. This will be France's first unimportable service rifle that they scrap. It will be interesting to see if they do the modern politically-correct thing and smelt them into small models of the Eiffel Tower to sell or chop them up into kits and let the importers have a go at them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted July 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 Betting on the SCAR winning, then again, H&K has the better "marketing" department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex C. Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 H&K can sell the HK 416 en masse for $1,425 as of 2007, but single units can be sold to law enforcement today for $1,650. I cannot find pricing information on the SCAR, but I would be shocked if it were cheaper than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collimatrix Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 H&K can sell the HK 416 en masse for $1,425 as of 2007, but single units can be sold to law enforcement today for $1,650. I cannot find pricing information on the SCAR, but I would be shocked if it were cheaper than that. Really? The SCAR, to my eye, looks like it's very better-designed for low cost mass production than the 416. The entire upper is an extrusion with minimal machining, whereas on the HK 416 only the handguard is and the receiver appears to be machined. The entire lower is injection molded, and so would cost single digits of dollars, versus the machined lower on the HK. I don't think the civilian pricing is reflective of bulk LE/MIL contract pricing at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex C. Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 Really? The SCAR, to my eye, looks like it's very better-designed for low cost mass production than the 416. The entire upper is an extrusion with minimal machining, whereas on the HK 416 only the handguard is and the receiver appears to be machined. The entire lower is injection molded, and so would cost single digits of dollars, versus the machined lower on the HK. I don't think the civilian pricing is reflective of bulk LE/MIL contract pricing at all. No, certainly not considering that the MSRP of both rifles is about $3,000. I would be quite interested to find out SCAR government pricing though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collimatrix Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 No, certainly not considering that the MSRP of both rifles is about $3,000. I would be quite interested to find out SCAR government pricing though. Same here. I would also like to know what the contract pricing for full auto CZ 805s is, since those are cheaper on the civilian market but look far less optimized for mass production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex C. Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 What about it do you think makes it less optimized? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collimatrix Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 What about it do you think makes it less optimized? The receiver is machined from a piece of billet. Look at it carefully; it's quite different than a SCAR's upper receiver. It changes in cross section several times, and has areas that have clearly been milled out to save weight. That's an enormous increase in machine time to make each rifle vs. a SCAR, or other extruded upper SCAR-clone. Per SAR, the upper receiver was originally supposed to be injection molded, but they never quite got this to work (somewhat unsurprisingly; an injection molded piece that big is technically challenging). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex C. Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 Ah yes I see. I assumed that the upper receiver was extruded as well, but a closer look reveals otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 Turkmenistan army HK416A5, used by coup supporters soldiers in Turkey. Rifle found in hotel after firefight between Erdogan president guards and coup soldiers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Belesarius Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Trigger warning. Egregious firearms abuse ahead. (Hopefully the spoiler tag works) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 lol, spoilers curse strikes again! Belesarius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meplat Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Trigger warning. Egregious firearms abuse ahead. (Hopefully the spoiler tag works) Meh, just airshit, so "nothing of value was lost". Sturgeon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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