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2 hours ago, Serge said:

Very optimistic. 

Why?

[Serge]

Because it’s optimistic to write : « However, vehicles like Leopard 2 and M1 (to a lesser degree) would have no issues firing on the move and were not limited compared to vehicles from the 90s. »

80’s tank (Leopard 2, M1, Challenger...) are limited to strictly fire on the frontal arc at low speed.

The only one able to really fire on the move on moving targets was the Leclerc MBT.

[Scav]

14 hours ago, Serge said:

Because it’s optimistic to write : « However, vehicles like Leopard 2 and M1 (to a lesser degree) would have no issues firing on the move and were not limited compared to vehicles from the 90s. »

80’s tank (Leopard 2, M1, Challenger...) are limited to strictly fire on the frontal arc at low speed.

The only one able to really fire on the move on moving targets was the Leclerc MBT.

You actually believe that?

[Serge]

For 30 years, yes. 

[Scav]

14 minutes ago, Serge said:

For 30 years, yes. 

Hate to burst your bubble then, but it's incorrect.
Even as early as the MBT-70 the independent stabilisation of the gunner's sight allowed accurate fire on the move up to around 40kph.
This same type of system was adopted in an improved version on the Leopard 2 and it clearly showed to be able to accurately hit targets on the move at speeds of 40kph even at long ranges.
In tests of the early 90s, this was further confirmed when M1A2 and Leopard 2 achieved the highest hit rates while on the move, beating out Leclerc in at least three trials.

It has to be noted that M1 until M1A2 only featured a single axis stabilisation of the main sight, which meant that azimuth stabilisation was worse compared to the dual axis stabilisation introduced later in M1A2.

I recommend you take a look at Ogorkiewicz tank technology book, specifically the fire control section, he mentions that tests with the XM-803 showed gun pointing errors did not exceed 0.4mils in azimuth and 0.2mils in elevation at 40kph.

There are also plenty of test results available on the web.

[Serge]

Made my day. 
man powered loading of 120mm round beating an auto loader. 
I guess it was on a motorway, not on track. 

[Scav]

11 hours ago, Serge said:

Made my day. 
man powered loading of 120mm round beating an auto loader. 
I guess it was on a motorway, not on track. 

You mean the autoloader that had issues in Greek testing?
This has nothing to do with accurately hitting a target on the move.

Also, funny you should mention this, because that's something the Germans complained about during the US XM1 vs Leo 2AV trials.
The test firings on the move were conducted on paved firing lines whereas in German testing this was usually done in all kinds of conditions, including rough fields.

Spoiler

Bei den Schießversuchen kamen die extrem guten Fahrwerkseigenschaften des deutschen Panzers, die das Kanonenrohr bei Geländefahrten vorstabilisieren, gar nicht erst zur Geltung. Getestet wurde, völlig unrealistisch, auf geglätteten Bahnen -- nur so konnte der XM-1 gegenüber dem Leoparden zumindest mithalten.

Regardless, I see you just want to keep moving goal posts when confronted with reality.