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7 hours ago, Belesarius said:

Pentagon reversing itself on cluster weapons.



I just wanna add one thing:

It came up fairly recently that one of the reasons cited by the Israeli MoD for KMW's loss to Elbit in the artillery tender, was that Germany might ban the use of cluster munitions as these are illegal in Germany.

This, coupled with newly developed cluster-munition rockets for the M270 MLRS by IMI, shows that cluster munitions are now returning after they were withdrawn even by those parties who didnt sign a convention for their ban.


Modern cluster munitions have 5 fail-safe mechanisms, as opposed to 3 in the past. This gives them a theoretical dud rate of 0.01%, about 100 times less than the stated maximum.


So basically modern cluster munitions arent affected by the ban.

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On 06.12.2017 at 11:35 PM, Scolopax said:

So is the Koalitsiya still going to be using the Armata chassis, or have they settled for the T-90 at this point due to budget and procurement date issues?

No info on that.



Guys! we have to make a rocket launcher...
-awwww! booring!
A mobile one.
Lets make it as weird as possible!
And sling it under a Helicopter!
(the 60ies must have been a fun time to be an engineer!)










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   The BP-12A missile from the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation (CASIC) is often confused with the M20 missile from their competitors - China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC), but these are different missiles and different systems.
For comparison, M20:



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   Norway, following Finland and Estonia, became the third European country to purchase the 155 mm/52 K9 Thunder self-propelled howitzers from Korea (and Poland purchases the K9 chassis for its Krab). On December 20, 2017, the Norwegian defense procurement agency Forsvarsmateriell, subordinated to the Norwegian Ministry of Defense, signed a contract worth 1.8 billion kronor ($ 216 million) with South Korean company Hanwha Land Systems (the Hanwha defense group) to supply the Norwegian army with 24 K9 Thunder 155/52 mm caliber self-propelled howitzers new production (with an option for another 24 systems). It is reported that the contract also includes an undisclosed number of armored vehicles carrying ammunition K10 on the same chassis, artillery ammunition, service support and training. The total cost of the program, taking into account the exercise of the option, may amount to 3.2 billion kroons ($ 384 million).

K9 in Norway








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Military tests of MLRS "Tornado-S" were conducted in Syria




   On December 25, 2017, during a speech on the occasion of summing up the results of the work of NPO SPLAV JSC (Russia, Tula) in 2017, the general director Vladimir Nikolaevich Lepin announced the information about the combat use of the Tornado-S in the fighting in the Syrian Arab Republic (RAA).


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Novator reveals new Club system, missile and range details




   Neil Gibson and James Bingham - IHS Jane's Missiles & Rockets
   18 December 2017


   Russia’s Novator Joint Stock Company has revealed details of a new export version of the Club missile system – designated Club-T – and its 3M-14E land attack cruise missile (LACM). Additionally, a senior representative has confirmed to Jane’s that the range of the LACM can be extended beyond that stipulated by the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) export control regime of which Russia is a member.

   Designed around a 8×8 transport erector vehicle (TEL), the Club-T is armed with six 3M-14E1 LACMs. Speaking to Jane’s at the Gulf Defence & Aerospace exhibition in Kuwait City, company representative Mikhail Pakhomov, head of the Foreign Connections Department at Novator JSC, also revealed that while the quoted range of the 3M-14E1 in the company brochure is 275 km, the missile’s range can be extended beyond 300 km if required. Ballistic and cruise missile systems, including the 3M-14E1, are limited by the MTCR treaty to having a maximum range of 300 km with a payload (warhead) of no more than 500 kg. The warhead for the 3M-14TE is quoted by Novator JSC as being 450 kg in weight, below that stipulated by the MTCR and the same as that used by earlier 3M-14E LACM and greater than that which equips the 3M-54E1 anti-ship cruise missiles (ASCM).

   While Club-T is marketed with the 3M-14E1 LACM, integration of the 3M-54E subsonic/supersonic three-stage and 3M-54E1 subsonic two-stage ASCM onto the Club-T platform is also nearing completion, said Pakhomov.

   The Club-T TEL appears to be based on the MZKT-7930 8×8 platform produced by the Belarussian company Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant. This is the same base vehicle as used with the 9K720 Iskander-M (domestic) and 9K720E Iskander-E (export) tactical short-range ballistic missile (SRBM) systems.



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Ukrainian missile system Grom-2


   Looks like most developed thing of this system is engine - they at least tested it twice and second time it exploded (in the video). I guess North Koreans are futher in their missile designs that Ukkrainians.

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