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The Small Arms Thread, Part 8: 2018; ICSR to be replaced by US Army with interim 15mm Revolver Cannon.

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4 hours ago, Sten said:

Let's see what legal sheenanigans will happen next.


The legal shenanigans have already started. Apparently C.G. Haenel has only nine employees located at its official company headquarters. At some point there were only four.


The direct owner of C.G. Haenel, the Merkel Group (which is also a German company) has somewhere between 100 and 150 employees. Apparently most of their products are made outside of Germany as part of Caracal International.

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So what, my 5.56 rounds are groundbreaking too if I shoot the dirt.

Yeah... at a first glance it doesn't look good. I still wonder what kind of freestyle accounting is going on at Haenel for an AR style gun being cheaper than a gun with an extruded upper and injection molded plastic lower. Albeit that is only part of the equation for a contract like this.

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On 8/7/2015 at 11:36 PM, Sturgeon said:

Also, Alex, this came up elsehwere and I thought I'd share it here so you can tell me how I mis-remembered the whole event/am wrong/etc:

BabyOlifant, on 07 August 2015 - 04:00 PM, said:

8. Equally strange - why would I include a rocket engine so good that not only did the Americans straight-up copy it and set up their own production lines for it, but initially even the metallurgy was totally beyond Western science? It is a mystery.


Is this the RD-180?

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19 minutes ago, Pascal said:


Is this the RD-180?


Just now, Sturgeon said:




One of the Big Oofs on the russian side, they sold those engines at prices lower then their production costs and the production costs don't even include the money spent on the R&D on those engines, hella cost on those engines to produce.

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14 hours ago, Pascal said:

Nobody in particular, just a discussion on that topic.


A quote from that discussion would have done more justice.

"First successful and popularized the massive bolt group with gas piston"

Oh, that's a really broad criteria, but yeah it might be. 1893 is extremely early for a fixed piston design.

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