politics Post Election Thread: Democracy Dies In Darkness And You Can Help

[Collimatrix]

7 minutes ago, Donward said:

The Spanish American War - largely forgotten today - was a watershed moment in terms of reconciling North and South where the US entered the world stage as major player and became a colonial power. One of the themes for Teddy Roosevelt's autobiographical account of his stint commanding The Rough Riders was on Southerners saluting Old Glory again as US Army regiments travelled by train through The South to embark on transports from Florida to Cuba.

 

 

I believe it was largely the service of former CSA soldiers in the Spanish American War that convinced Mckinley to start agitating for reconciliation policies.

 

 

[Ulric]

35 minutes ago, Lostwingman said:

Oh don't I know it. My fb feed right now is practically filled with people looking for blood. 

 

I would love for nothing more than for social media to just be removed from this universe.

 

Sadly these people don't know that if you are going to go around calling for blood, you need to be prepared to spill some of your own.

[Sturgeon]

Abraham Lincoln statue vandalized because he was racist

[Donward]

1 hour ago, Collimatrix said:

 

 

I believe it was largely the service of former CSA soldiers in the Spanish American War that convinced Mckinley to start agitating for reconciliation policies.

 

 

Yep. If I wasn't in poor cell area and on my potato phone I'd link some of them.

 

Another thing that is aggravating is that Andrew Johnson already pardoned the Confederates of their crimes - with a few exceptions - in a serious of proclamations. Men like US Grant and WT Sherman granted the parole of Confederate soldiers before that.

 

As for Robert E Lee, Gerald Ford posthumously pardoned him of his crimes in 1975 (Lee was the victim of a "clerical error" while still alive since someone took his application as a souvenir as I recall).

Finally, Jimmy Fucking Carter pardoned Jefferson Davis in an act that was meant to finally bring closure between North and Sputh back in (1977?).

I disagree with that move since Davis WAS a traitor who used his power of Secretary of War in the Buchanon Administration to transfer Federal munitions to the South with the intent of getting them seized in the event of secession. But that's my OPINION. In terms of rule of law, all these actions are are just vandalizing memorials to fellow AMERICANS, not Confederates.

And if Grant and Sherman could see their way to forgiving the South, that's good enough for me.

[T___A]

7 minutes ago, Donward said:

I disagree with that move since Davis WAS a traitor who used his power of Secretary of War in the Buchanon Administration to transfer Federal munitions to the South with the intent of getting them seized in the event of secession.

 

You're thinking of John B. Floyd who did that. Jeff Davis was Secretary of War during the previous Pierce administration. 

[Lostwingman]

1 hour ago, Ulric said:

 

Sadly these people don't know that if you are going to go around calling for blood, you need to be prepared to spill some of your own.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if they think they are.

[Belesarius]

2 hours ago, Ulric said:

 

Sadly these people don't know that if you are going to go around calling for blood, you need to be prepared to spill some of your own.

If it got to the point where there were actual Nazis giving demonstrations and I felt the need to counter protest, then I'd be perfectly willing to go to jail for assault. Because if it's a Nazi that needs punching you want it to be public, and you want to be seen as willing to go to jail or rely on jury nullification so you don't.  I mean, actual Nazis need punching. I don't think anyone here would disagree with that. We all like to fight with wanna be Nazi shitlords... kinda what we do. But you have to be willing to pay full freight to do so.  There is always a cost to a real fight, and you have to be willing to pay it.

 

[Ulric]

And that will spark a violent response, even before the police show up to arrest you. You're daughter might have to grow up without a father, because you had to physically assault someone who was saying inflammatory things.

 

Nazis have been so thoroughly discredited and stigmatized that they do not pose a serious political threat, and probably won't for a very very time. The best response is to mock them.

[Belesarius]

11 minutes ago, Ulric said:

And that will spark a violent response, even before the police show up to arrest you. You're daughter might have to grow up without a father, because you had to physically assault someone who was saying inflammatory things.

Yep.  And if I was at the point where I felt the need to counter protest, then that's a cost you have to account for.  I'm not one for attending protests for any random thing, and things are no where near as polarized as things are in the states up here. But if it got to the point where I, personally felt the need to get out on the streets and rally against a bunch of shitlords spouting racist crap then things would have deteriorated to a point where blood might need to be shed. If the cost is my life, well... that's awful. But there are a hell of a lot more senseless and random ways to die then standing against Nazi ideology.

[Toxn]

20 minutes ago, Ulric said:

And that will spark a violent response, even before the police show up to arrest you. You're daughter might have to grow up without a father, because you had to physically assault someone who was saying inflammatory things.

 

Nazis have been so thoroughly discredited and stigmatized that they do not pose a serious political threat, and probably won't for a very very time. The best response is to mock them.

Or, you know, do the CIA thing: completely infiltrate their organisation, turn them on each other and crush them for a full generation.

[Donward]

I guess the question is what sort of threat these Neo-Nazis/KKK types pose to The Republic. From the numbers I've seen posted on the left wing Southern Poverty Center, the answer is almost nill. Most of these groups are lucky to have double digit membership numbers at the local and regional level. Holy hell, the Stormer had its website hosted at GoDaddy.

I know of no politician at the federal, state and local level who supports them. These guys aren't attending GOP functions. They're not donating any significant money to political campaigns. These guys at best might hold an assistant manager gig at the Piggly Wiggly. They're playing video games at night while masturbating to Cuck porn.

Counter this with the "Alt Left" whose members stand side-by-side with Senators and Governors, being funded by billionaires and are celebrated by Hollywood celebrities, sports stars and the media.

As someone who is opposed to both of those groups, one represents a clear and present danger to The Republic while the other is an obnoxious distraction.

[Ulric]

6 minutes ago, Donward said:

As someone who is opposed to both of those groups, one represents a clear and present danger to The Republic while the other is an obnoxious distraction.

 

 

The Nazis are the threat, obviously, haven't you been watching the news?

 

You must be a Nazi sympathizer. Attempting to lull us into a false sense of security and complacency by saying that they aren't a threat so they can hit is with a surprise attack. I bet that you are secretly Hitler's offspring, genetically modified to look like normal humans while being twice as Nazi as Hitler was. Get out of here, MegaHitler, we don't want your hate!

[Legiondude]

25 minutes ago, Ulric said:

 

 

The Nazis are the threat, obviously, haven't you been watching the news?

 

You must be a Nazi sympathizer. Attempting to lull us into a false sense of security and complacency by saying that they aren't a threat so they can hit is with a surprise attack. I bet that you are secretly Hitler's offspring, genetically modified to look like normal humans while being twice as Nazi as Hitler was. Get out of here, MegaHitler, we don't want your hate!

The sad thing is that basically this line of logic was pulled on me yesterday because I mentioned I had heard the term "CTRL Left"

[Sturgeon]

[Belesarius]

Charming.

 

http://www.newsweek.com/charlottesville-police-refused-protect-synagogue-nazis-so-it-hired-armed-651260

[LostCosmonaut]

I'm down to see some coked out clowns beat up some nazis.

[Donward]

I always assumed ICP appealed to Nazis.

[Lostwingman]

3 minutes ago, Donward said:

I always assumed ICP appealed to Nazis.

Man I don't even know what the fuck is going on at this point.

[Jeeps_Guns_Tanks]

1 hour ago, Donward said:

I always assumed ICP appealed to Nazis.

 

 

Yeah, or pedofiles. 

[Ramlaen]

 

[Jeeps_Guns_Tanks]

30 minutes ago, Ramlaen said:

 

 

Speaking of pedofiles... 

[Sturgeon]

23 hours ago, Toxn said:

He has statues?

 

Also; aren't the tublr left supposed to be famous for eating their own?

 

In that long ass cast Tim Poole did, he refers to something called the "billionaire's blanket", which is the fact that groups (like VICE) that are supported by big left money are immune to the kinds of association slander that happens all the time. The example Time Poole uses is that VICE embedded with the Neo-Nazis during Charlottesville, even after someone was killed, and the left praised their journalism. Yet, Poole interviewed Baked Alaska once and other publications called him a Neo-Nazi.

So basically, if you're outside the good ol boys network, you're ultimately fucked.

[Toxn]

31 minutes ago, Sturgeon said:

 

In that long ass cast Tim Poole did, he refers to something called the "billionaire's blanket", which is the fact that groups (like VICE) that are supported by big left money are immune to the kinds of association slander that happens all the time. The example Time Poole uses is that VICE embedded with the Neo-Nazis during Charlottesville, even after someone was killed, and the left praised their journalism. Yet, Poole interviewed Baked Alaska once and other publications called him a Neo-Nazi.

So basically, if you're outside the good ol boys network, you're ultimately fucked.

That's pretty normal. I get that your point is more along the lines of 'the lefties have the power in the media' though.

[LoooSeR]

 

[LoooSeR]