SH_MM Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 On 10/27/2018 at 4:59 PM, Molota_477 said: Yes, I do know these diagrams just simply illustrate some concepts, each color block just stands for an armor type which may have more complex details in real design. I am very curious about the sequence of these armor material inserts, especailly the DU package in example 5 was place in the front as a face plate which I suppose it won't offer so much protection from shape charge or KE round in such small oblique, but there is little open research related to the ballistic performance of DU plates, so maybe it is a possible solution. The Brits designed a type of DU armor, where thin depleted uranium plates were used in combation with an interlayer material and probably would have acted as a form of NERA. However the illustration from the French author also makes a lot of sense, because the frontal plate could act as a disruptor, i.e. the high-density in combination with sufficient thickness and hardness might be able to break/shatter incoming penetrators before they hit the NERA, thus enhancing protection performance. APFSDS ammo in general performs worse against unsloped armor, but a slanted plate would increase the probability of penetrator fragments becoming disaligned from the original path of impact. Most likely the straight turret armor face with the DU plate is just a simplification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molota_477 Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 11 hours ago, SH_MM said: The Brits designed a type of DU armor, where thin depleted uranium plates were used in combation with an interlayer material and probably would have acted as a form of NERA. Hi, Yes, I know this patent, and it makes sense that DU material is very likely used in NERA as sandwich's back plate, because its high flow strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molota_477 Posted November 10, 2018 Report Share Posted November 10, 2018 Hi, Do you guys who know what's this equipment mounted on the MSC's turret? There is someone claims that it was a surveillance radar and likely the same device also had been mounted on a Leclerc prototype , I would like to ask that if it is ture and is there any material related to such devices? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molota_477 Posted November 10, 2018 Report Share Posted November 10, 2018 And there is a livejournal post about AMX-30 test with Radar FCS(in Russian) https://strangernn.dreamwidth.org/1786004.html Serge and That_Baka 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Posted November 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2018 6 hours ago, Molota_477 said: Hi, Do you guys who know what's this equipment mounted on the MSC's turret? There is someone claims that it was a surveillance radar and likely the same device also had been mounted on a Leclerc prototype , I would like to ask that if it is ture and is there any material related to such devices? White parts are measuring instruments. Green parts are from the Leclerc demonstrator. But, there is no radar and I never heard about any radar test for this MBT. Molota_477 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLabor Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 16 hours ago, Molota_477 said: Hi, Do you guys who know what's this equipment mounted on the MSC's turret? There is someone claims that it was a surveillance radar and likely the same device also had been mounted on a Leclerc prototype , I would like to ask that if it is ture and is there any material related to such devices? While there is no radar on this photography, the MSC used to carry a ballistic radar to collect data. Never heard or seen anything like this on the prototypes or the first batches... Molota_477 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molota_477 Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 1 hour ago, DarkLabor said: Never heard or seen anything like this on the prototypes or the first batches... Thanks, so it just a rumor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLabor Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Molota_477 said: Thanks, so it just a rumor. Well, I never heard of it. This doesn't mean that it never happenned. It could have happenned in punctual manner to validate or gather additionnal data... There is A LOT of things that the constructor (or the DGA!) experimented that has not been revealed to the public. Molota_477 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molota_477 Posted November 18, 2018 Report Share Posted November 18, 2018 https://www.facebook.com/pg/Museeblindes/posts/ Two weird EPC concept models from Saumur museum. I suppose that the 1st model with top-mounted gun is likely a solf-recoil gun. Obviously they are different from the schemes described in Marc's book, in which all have six roadwheels. LoooSeR, skylancer-3441, Andrei_bt and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Posted November 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2018 They’re different because, there were numerous variants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 UAE moving Leclercs to Hodeida (Yemen) Spoiler Serge, Molota_477, Laviduce and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliz Posted November 27, 2018 Report Share Posted November 27, 2018 Does anyone know about amx 13 engine? Was it boxer or opposed piston (like 5td)? In wiki they say it was opposed piston but engine has crank in the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FORMATOSE Posted November 27, 2018 Report Share Posted November 27, 2018 On 11/27/2018 at 5:15 PM, Eliz said: Does anyone know about amx 13 engine? Was it boxer or opposed piston (like 5td)? In wiki they say it was opposed piston but engine has crank in the middle. Its SOFAM SAVIEM 8GxB was a flat-eight engine. Pictures courtesy of @DarkLabor Eliz and Collimatrix 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FORMATOSE Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 Serge, Ramlaen, LoooSeR and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That’s Suspicious Posted December 3, 2018 Report Share Posted December 3, 2018 Damn that’s a big one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Posted December 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 Today was not a Bastille day : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzoc Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 Oh they finally had to take out the VBRG? Well I guess that we'll soon hear the opposition leash out on the government for setting up "tanks" toward the protesters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Posted December 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 No. They won’t. Politician evacuated there family from Paris yesterday, so they won’t. They well know all of them voted taxes expense years after years. So they will stay calme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzoc Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 9 minutes ago, Serge said: No. They won’t. Politician evacuated there family from Paris yesterday, so they won’t. They well know all of them voted taxes expense years after years. So they will stay calme. That would be underestimating the tendency of the far left and far right to encourage those kind of violent protest to try to get some political credit from it. The extremes can't articulate even slightly complex ideas. They always resort to a nebulous "them" against "us" fuelling the fire while trying to control its' general direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzoc Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 You can see the right vehicle launching a grenade toward the protester around 1:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LoooSeR Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 Dictator Macron fights human right activists in Kiev Paris! Laviduce, That_Baka and Lord_James 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Posted December 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 This is the very first time an APC is used in Paris since 1968. And the VBRG is coming from the 1968 lesson learned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Posted December 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 For those of you who want data and pictures about VBRG/VXB-170 : http://www.milinfo.org/2016/01/vehicules-et-materiels-le-vbrg-a-calais.html In French. skylancer-3441 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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