Ramlaen Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 2 hours ago, roguetechie said: we could be looking at each plane going up once every other day. Quote https://fas.org/man/eprint/F35-sar-2016.pdf On page 17 (just Ctrl-f "sortie") you can see the program target for sortie generation rate for the F-35A (CTOL) is "4.0/3.0/2.0 2.5 ASD", and that it is currently estimated as "3.4/3.0/2.0 2.5 ASD" The three slashed numbers for sortie rate are: Surge / Sustained / Wartime sustained with "ASD" referring to average sortie duration in hours. This means that it is currently estimated the F-35A is capable of generating two 2.5 hour sorties per day (five hours total) in sustained operations during wartime (the lowest number). Sturgeon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguetechie Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 And if it can really meet this number I'm a pretty happy camper. I still have a few other concerns, but realistically I'm not well equipped to even evaluate the truthfulness or falsehood of most statements about the aircraft because I lack the requisite schooling and the TS/SCI clearances I'd really need to get at the plain English black and white information that someone actually needs to evaluate such a fantastically complicated project! Funny how uncle Sam doesn't just release the relevant information because forum guys with inquiring minds want to know. Aka: some people take this stuff way too seriously! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 @Mighty_Zuk You have more patience than I dealing with Snafu's F-35 clickbait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 Long years of training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Belesarius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted April 25, 2017 Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 Quote Landing at the Estonian air base Emari of one of the two arrivals with a brief demonstrative deployment of the fifth-generation Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II fighter from the 34th Fighter Squadron of the 388th Fighter Wing of the USAF (US Air Force No. 14-5094, serial number AF-95 ). 04/25/2017 Spoiler Ramlaen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ramlaen Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Israeli F-35's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 ANY DAY NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted May 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 F-35As doing the Mach loop in England. Ramlaen and Sturgeon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ramlaen Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 Israel might wind up buying a mix of F-35A and F-35B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xlucine Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 With how little capability the B gives up compared to the normal models (it certainly compares a lot better than the harrier to any equivalent fighter), doing the dispersed thing in the event of a major conflict does make more sense now. Still odd to hear after everyone else has tried and abandoned that idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted May 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 20 minutes ago, Xlucine said: With how little capability the B gives up compared to the normal models (it certainly compares a lot better than the harrier to any equivalent fighter), doing the dispersed thing in the event of a major conflict does make more sense now. Still odd to hear after everyone else has tried and abandoned that idea Except that technology is maturing and the F-35 is really just that much better than the Harrier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 I think Bele was so high he read your post as the opposite of what it actually says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belesarius Posted May 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 I was agreeing with him. And disagreeing with those that don't think it is possible anymore. Haven't been high in over 2 weeks, and am never high at work. Sleep deprived? Now that, I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collimatrix Posted May 7, 2017 Report Share Posted May 7, 2017 9 hours ago, Xlucine said: With how little capability the B gives up compared to the normal models (it certainly compares a lot better than the harrier to any equivalent fighter), doing the dispersed thing in the event of a major conflict does make more sense now. Still odd to hear after everyone else has tried and abandoned that idea WAG here, but the problem with dispersed basing was that the logistical resupply became hopelessly confused. Perhaps computer logistics tracking has fixed this and makes the idea practical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxn Posted May 7, 2017 Report Share Posted May 7, 2017 2 hours ago, Collimatrix said: WAG here, but the problem with dispersed basing was that the logistical resupply became hopelessly confused. Perhaps computer logistics tracking has fixed this and makes the idea practical. I thought that the problem with dispersing was that the big boys were looking down the barrel of nuclear annihilation (no need to disperse your tactical fighters in that case) or operating essentially with impunity from well-protected airstrips. The little guys, meanwhile, were/are looking at either a peer-to-peer situation (where you can fend off raids and repair your airstrip fairly quickly) or one where you're facing the big boys (in which case you're fucked no matter how cunningly you hide your fighters under a bridge). The result is that the only countries that I know of which really rolled with the dispersion philosophy were folk like the Swedes or like us. The Swedes were contemplating a heroic last stand against a conventional push by the Soviets (ie: another Finnish war), so eking out every gram of deterrent capacity was good. We were, I think, contemplating the use of long sections of paved roads as small forward airstrips. But then we stuck a lot of them fairly close to our existing air bases anyway, so IDK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collimatrix Posted May 7, 2017 Report Share Posted May 7, 2017 I could see the Israelis being interested in dispersed airbases after what they did to the Arab air forces in 1967. Especially now with the stealth/sensors/countermeasures game being in a very unclear state, there's no guarantee that early detection and air defense systems would render similar raids impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxn Posted May 7, 2017 Report Share Posted May 7, 2017 15 minutes ago, Collimatrix said: I could see the Israelis being interested in dispersed airbases after what they did to the Arab air forces in 1967. Especially now with the stealth/sensors/countermeasures game being in a very unclear state, there's no guarantee that early detection and air defense systems would render similar raids impossible. If so, I'd expect them to show a sudden interest whenever the Saudis look like they're going to get F-35. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 PhotoPROOF that F-35 doesn't have navigation system so pilots are FORCED to use PAPER MAPS! Sturgeon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xlucine Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 A very restrained BRRRT LoooSeR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 Germany appears to have some interest in the F-35 now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 14 hours ago, Xlucine said: A very restrained BRRRT NAS Pax is my hometown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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