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   According to the Indian newspaper The Times of India in Chethan Kumar’s article “Bhishma tanks to made in Tamil Nadu's Avadi”, the Indian Ministry of Defense issued a contract worth about 20 thousand crore rupees to the state tank building company Heavy Vehicles Factory in Avadi ($ 2,8 billion) for the manufacture of 464 T-90 tanks for the Indian army (apparently, we are talking about T-90MS tanks). The supply of tanks is expected to take at least four years.

 

   On the part of bmpd, we recall that in early April 2019, the Committee on Security (CCS) of India, headed by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, approved the purchase of 464 Russian T-90MS tanks for the Indian army in the amount of 134.48 billion Rs. ($ 1.93 billion). The corresponding contract with Rosoboronexport JSC was signed by the Ministry of Defense of India, apparently in November. Tanks should be assembled at the Indian state-owned HVF tank plant in Avadi from kits supplied by the Russian Uralvagonzavod Scientific Industrial Corporation JSC (UVZ).  T-90MS is planned to equip ten tank regiments of the Indian army.

 

   According to statements by Indian army officers, the planned return to the assembly of HVF tanks from Russian kits is associated with the low rate of full-fledged licensed production of T-90S tanks there. To date, the HVF plant has built no more than 500 T-90S tanks (Bhishma) under the 2006 Russian-Indian license agreement, which envisages production of 1000 T-90S tanks in Avadi by 2020. The first ten licensed T-90S tanks manufactured by the HVF were handed over to the Indian Army in August 2009.

   Earlier, under contracts in 2001 and 2007, the Avadi plant more successfully assembled 409 T-90S tanks from vehicle sets delivered from Russia from UVZ (another 248 T-90S tanks were delivered to India with UVZ ready).

 

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  This? Big mistake, they could have had an Oplot-BM...

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@LoooSeR i´m confused with the weapon systems to be integrated into the IFV fleet, why not just standardize the Kinzhal turret with Kornets for the BMP-3 and Kurganets and the Epokha "only" to modernize older BMP-2? This way it seems a mess from the commonality and logistical viewpoint.

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6 hours ago, alanch90 said:

@LoooSeR i´m confused with the weapon systems to be integrated into the IFV fleet, why not just standardize the Kinzhal turret with Kornets for the BMP-3 and Kurganets and the Epokha "only" to modernize older BMP-2? This way it seems a mess from the commonality and logistical viewpoint.

   Most of those vehicles are not in service, just prototypes. At least for now.

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   A contract for BMP-3 with additional protection was found on otvaga

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168 BMP-3s will be produced until Oct 15, 2021. Average cost per vehicle - about 84 mil. rubles. BMD-4 cost 118 mil. rubles, BTW.

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   Taking into account deliveries under a three-year contract, about 420-470 vehicles have already been contracted in recent years, totaling about 800 BMP-3 with new vehicles and Soviet ones undergoing modernization.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Beer said:

Wha is the composition? Steel - fiber glass - steel with cavities for ERA explosives inside? 

   Something along those lines.

 

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   Those skirts are directly from T-90MS, according to designation (Object 188MS).

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   News about Sokol-V GL-ATGM, info found by otvaga members in state orders. 

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https://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/1513247.html

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   Work on the new complex of guided weapons 3UBK25 Sokol-V has reached its final stage. Tests will be held at the Smolino training ground.

 

   It is planned to use 25 3UBK25 missiles with warhead and seeker, as well as 46 practical missiles with seeker (without warheads) and 46 missiles with onboard inertial navigation system without warhead and seeker. The new generation rocket is being developed by "Design Bureau of Precision Engineering named after A.E. Nudelman"

   In the event of successful completion of the tests, this will be the first missile in Russia with autonomous homing with completely new combat qualities. A promising guided missile equipped with a passive optoelectronic homing head, an onboard inertial navigation system, integrated with satellite navigation equipment, and a laser beam control channel.

   Shooting will be carried out by a T-80 tank and a ballistic installation with a 2A82 system. Also, when testing the damaging effects of warheads, 36 "bioobjects" (rabbits) will be used.

 

   A promising ATGM is designed to destroy ground targets and low-speed air targets and implements such modern principles of guided weapons as:
- the principle of "fire and forget" (with homing in the final section of the trajectory);
- defeat of ground objects in the weakly protected upper hemisphere;
- defeat of targets beyond line of sight;
- method of passive determination of target coordinates in several spectral ranges;
- the presence of an inertial portion of the trajectory with the adjustment from satellite navigation signals.

 

   This ATGM is strange. It have laser beam control channel, probably for direct control by a gunner, but also a thermal imager seaker, inertial and sat. nav. systems on top of that. I bet those missiles will be very rare as they are going to be quite expensive.

 

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   Documents related for missile testing with list of things needed.

 

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New T-72B3 tanks of the 2016 model and BMP-3 of the RF Armed Forces.

150th Idritsko-Berlin Order of Kutuzov Motor Rifle Division.

November 2019 / Rostov Region

 

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   Also, on small yellow placards T-72B3 "obr 2016" are named as T-72B3M.

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On 11/17/2019 at 12:25 PM, LoooSeR said:

   News about Sokol-V GL-ATGM, info found by otvaga members in state orders. 

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https://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/1513247.html

 

   This ATGM is strange. It have laser beam control channel, probably for direct control by a gunner, but also a thermal imager seaker, inertial and sat. nav. systems on top of that. I bet those missiles will be very rare as they are going to be quite expensive.

 

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So NLOS?

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5 hours ago, MRose said:

 

So NLOS?

   Probably yes, missile flies to a zone where target is located using inertial and sat navigation system, activates thermal imager seaker on terminal phase of flight to detect targets and attack them. Laser beam riding channel is likely to engage thermally non-contrast targets like buildings, fortifications and similar.

   Will be interesting to know if Sokol-V is in any measure related to LMUR (or their seakers).

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7 hours ago, LoooSeR said:

   Probably yes, missile flies to a zone where target is located using inertial and sat navigation system, activates thermal imager seaker on terminal phase of flight to detect targets and attack them. Laser beam riding channel is likely to engage thermally non-contrast targets like buildings, fortifications and similar.

   Will be interesting to know if Sokol-V is in any measure related to LMUR (or their seakers).

What's the speculative range to make this a worthwhile endeavor?

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4 hours ago, MRose said:

What's the speculative range to make this a worthwhile endeavor?

   Firing at targets beyond LOS can be done within usual range of previous models of GL-ATGMs. Range for Sokol-V is unknown, don't remember even seeing speculative estimation of max distance for system. I would say that this missile should have about same or a bit higher range as Reflex, i expect ~6km. Missile itself is bigger (at least this is impression i've got), but it is hard to say how much of it is new electronics or designers put more fuel into it.

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8 hours ago, MRose said:

What's the speculative range to make this a worthwhile endeavor?

Not just range, NLOS and top attack mean that it can it tanks that are in hull down or turret down positions. And that's something that you can't do with any other ammo.

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         Unlike tank look-alike, made by Kharkovites mad mans, T-72 is true combat tank to fight with forces of evil like radical moderate barbarians and westerners. Thats why we need to learn how identify it from T-64 and you should remember it's frightening lines!
       

       
       
       
      The GLORIOUS T-80 - a Weapon to Destroy and Conquer bourgeois countries and shatter westerners army
       
         And now we are looking at the Pride of Party and Soviet army, a true tank to spearhead attacks on decadent westerners, a tank that will destroy countries by sucking their military budgets and dispersing their armies in vortex of air, left from high-speed charge by the GLORIOUS T-80!

      The T-80 shooting down jets by hitting them behind the horizont 
          
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