Donward Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 I believe date of manufacture. But - honestly - I don't know the law regarding black powder weapons in regards to background checks, licenses or if you build one from a kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Only count as antiques for date of manufacture, but muzzleloaders are not considered firearms by Federal law anyway. SuperComrade and Donward 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperComrade Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 SweeeetI would love a Napoleonic era replica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Great shitstorm expect i. FAILAK-21, heard many bad things i about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meplat Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 here's a funny (as in "not at all and kind of disturbing") article on how the 2nd was intended to preserve slavery- http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/13890-the-second-amendment-was-ratified-to-preserve-slavery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donward Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Black powder shooting is a fucking blast Super. When I get my shit sorted out, I want to get back into it. SuperComrade 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donward Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 I'm looking at Dixie Gun Works and their online catalog. French Reproduction Model 1777 Charleville Musket is $1450 http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=3527 Here is a French percussion rifle $995 http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=15907 French Flintlock pistol $1295 http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=14679 And a catalog search result with the keyword "French" that has a whole list of paraphernalia. http://www.dixiegunworks.com/advanced_search_result.php?osCsid=dbbh4kafduoflfh8mf5430u1l1&keywords=french&x=0&y=0 Again, can't speak to actual quality of those items. Although you should expect something decent for that price. I'm sure there are other venues that might have better deals and more options. Here is something called "Veteran Arms" with a repro Charleville Musket at $650 http://www.veteranarms.com/ReproductionMuzzleloadersandFlintlocks/1777-French-Charleville.html Add a bayonet for Seventy bucks!!! And one for $550 but you have to drill the vent apparently. http://www.militaryheritage.com/musket14.htm SuperComrade 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperComrade Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Brown Bess is always a classic, although my go to blackpowder weapon would be a Martini-Henry or Springfield traploader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex C. Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Lee-Metford for me. A rifle that truly represents the apex of blackpowder tech: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Except it's actually the genesis of smokeless tech. Which you'd know if you'd watched his fucking videos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex C. Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 I keep up with his videos, but you would be hard pressed to argue that .303 Mk I was not arguably the pinnacle of smokeless powder ammunition! Edit: I dont know why I typed smokeless when I meant black Sturgeon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 I keep up with his videos, but you would be hard pressed to argue that .303 Mk I was not arguably the pinnacle of smokeless powder ammunition! You mean "blackpowder", and sure, it was, I was just ribbing you. I spoke with Rob, and he was very insistent that the Lee-Metford was designed and implemented as a smokeless gun from the start, but that the rifle was ready a little bit before the actual ammo was, resulting in the early blackpowder Mk. I .303 (IIRC, MK. I ammo came in both BP and Cordite varieties, but Rob's the guy to ask). As he puts it, the blackpowder Lee-Metford ammo is "a red herring". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex C. Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Whoops, edited. But the story of the Lee-Metford is an interesting one for sure. I would love to pick Rob's brain in person one day. Also, I never know whether to put post like these here or in the historical warfare subforum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Probably doesn't matter too much. Random historical military shit kept getting put in Infantry Tools and Tactics because obviously air power and armor didn't really exist before 1900, so I made that subforum to break it up a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperComrade Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 I'm really enjoying Tales of The Gun...Ah, History Channel of the early 90s... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SuperComrade Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 I'm surprised their episode on German guns skipped over the Gewehr 43. But the Japanese one was quite impressive. You could tell the guy firing the guns was a bit reluctant to fire them because they were so rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex C. Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 I remember watching those at friend's houses when I was younger (was on cable and I did not have it). Really not a bad program for giving a solid overview of various small arms. In the Jap one, Ian's pops is one of the experts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperComrade Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 I like the intro of every episode"The gun has played a critical role in history. An invention which has been praised and denounced... served hero and villain alike.. and carries with it moral responsibility. To understand the gun, is to better understand history." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collimatrix Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 I'm surprised their episode on German guns skipped over the Gewehr 43. But the Japanese one was quite impressive. You could tell the guy firing the guns was a bit reluctant to fire them because they were so rare. The K43 wasn't particularly numerically important, and barring Argentina making a few hundred clones and the US basing a few prototypes off of it, it really went nowhere. There were actually more STG-44s made as well. The FG-42 had the US design teams oohing and aahing and copying various bits. Let me see what I can do about getting some pictures of the internals of a K43 on here. It's a really zany, bad design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Yeah, K43 for most "meh" common autoloader of WWII, design-wise. I know that'll get some people's hackles up but-SOYUUUUZ NERUSHIIIIIMYYYYYY I mean, but who cares? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex C. Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 I have one I can break down. Will have to wait until tomorrow. But they made 400,000 of them, so I would call it pretty significant. But as for the bad design, I assume you are referencing the flapper locking system? In contrast, less than 20,000 FG42s were made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 I have broken one down before. They're bizarre in more ways than just the flapper locking, but that is one of the major gripes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tied Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Only the Germans could try to copy the Svt-40, a lackluster design in terms of reliability, and make it somehow less reliable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxn Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Black powder shooting is a fucking blast Super. When I get my shit sorted out, I want to get back into it. This looks interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_guMksYm3TY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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