Lord_James Posted May 1, 2023 Report Share Posted May 1, 2023 On 4/14/2023 at 7:27 AM, SH_MM said: Germany wants to order 18 Leopard 2A8 tanks with the options for more ("a middle three-digit number"). Don’t know how I missed this, but what’s been changed over the 2A7? Just the trophy (and APU), or some other systems? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnakeKqcke Posted May 2, 2023 Report Share Posted May 2, 2023 Well it gets new roof armor, better optic some half NGVA , sensor fusion and better all-round situational awareness system. Or you say its an leo 2A7HU with trophy and no RCWS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laser Shark Posted May 10, 2023 Report Share Posted May 10, 2023 On 4/30/2023 at 6:57 PM, SH_MM said: SnakeKqcke and David Moyes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pardus Posted May 24, 2023 Report Share Posted May 24, 2023 On 4/2/2023 at 8:59 PM, AtomSez said: Hi, i have a question regarding the 40mm upper glacis: it seem to me a vulnerable point, and in the A7 upgrade has been somewhat resolved. also the Strd 122 has a similar applique armour. How much this plate can protect against modern russian APFSDS? is the 7° slope effective enough? The upper glacis is most likely a 45mm plate @ 82 deg, which is equivalent to ~350mm of RHA. An additional atleast 45mm of plating has then been added on top of that for the 2A7V bumping protection there up to above 700mm RHAe. That said this protection value is taken from a Swedish leak regarding Strv122 protection levels whilst using 90's D-tech external addon armour. It's rather likely that the 2A7V uses newer (E, F, G-Tech etc) external armour packages which provide even better protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SH_MM Posted May 26, 2023 Report Share Posted May 26, 2023 On 5/24/2023 at 6:47 AM, Pardus said: The upper glacis is most likely a 45mm plate @ 82 deg, which is equivalent to ~350mm of RHA. An additional atleast 45mm of plating has then been added on top of that for the 2A7V bumping protection there up to above 700mm RHAe The add-on armor is not homogenous steel. On 5/24/2023 at 6:47 AM, Pardus said: That said this protection value is taken from a Swedish leak regarding Strv122 protection levels whilst using 90's D-tech external addon armour. It's rather likely that the 2A7V uses newer (E, F, G-Tech etc) external armour packages which provide even better protection. There are no "F-Technology" and "G-Technology" armor systems. The add-on armor for the Leopard 2 PSO, 2A4M CAN and Leopard 2A7 models is the "E-Technology". However the name does not refer to a specific armor solution, i.e. there are multiple types of armor systems based on "D-Technology" with different protection levels - with newer ones being developed and fielded after the original one. E.g. the Leopardo 2E is better protected than the Stridsvagn 122, despite both of them using armor in "D-Technology". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnakeKqcke Posted June 2, 2023 Report Share Posted June 2, 2023 Tought the new Leopard 2a7 to 2a8 have new and better armor then older mbts. They should be got enough armored Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pardus Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 On 5/26/2023 at 1:50 PM, SH_MM said: The add-on armor is not homogenous steel. No it's one of the "x"-tech NERA/NxRA external addon types. I don't know which letter they use today, you claim E, which might be right. IIRC the combined thickness of the addon armour, i.e. a steel + mystery layer + steel sandwhich bolted together, is 65mm based on pictorial evidence, 45mm of that consisting of what is believed to be high hardness steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiedzmin Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 some strange testbed with cuted roof addons look like RI David Moyes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SH_MM Posted June 7, 2023 Report Share Posted June 7, 2023 16 hours ago, Wiedzmin said: some strange testbed with cuted roof addons look like RI This is the tank (or at least the hull), shown at Eurosatory 2014. AFAIK it was a proposed variant for either an upgrade offer made to Chile or a sales offer made to Peru. The turret seems to be taken from a different tank, might have been a testbed used for the ADS. Not only the roof was removed, but also the optics (EMES 15 and PERI R17) and there are marks near the turret bustle from an impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiedzmin Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 Laviduce, Stimpy75 and David Moyes 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laser Shark Posted June 13, 2023 Report Share Posted June 13, 2023 Leo 2A8 for Norway too it seems. Main difference will be integration of Kongsberg ICS/CORTEX, and probably few other changes, earning the tank the designation Leo 2A8 NOR, but it's essentially the same tank as the one that will be delivered to the BW (with more countries likely to follow). https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/configuration-is-finalised-for-norways-leopard-2a8-tank-order/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnakeKqcke Posted June 13, 2023 Report Share Posted June 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Laser Shark said: Leo 2A8 for Norway too it seems. Main difference will be integration of Kongsberg ICS/CORTEX, and probably few other changes, earning the tank the designation Leo 2A8 NOR, but it's essentially the same tank as the one that will be delivered to the BW (with more countries likely to follow). https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/configuration-is-finalised-for-norways-leopard-2a8-tank-order/ Wasn't all of that planed before like trophy and co. and only i think the roof armor would be new ? I mean the diffrence of A7NO and A8NO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laser Shark Posted June 13, 2023 Report Share Posted June 13, 2023 That’s a very difficult question to answer since the 2A7 NOR is surrounded in speculation more so than facts. It might be that it was going to be something else before the Norwegian Army changed up its mind (for one reason or the other), or it could be that the 2A7NOR was finalised as the 2A8NOR because the Norwegian and German armies were of a similar mind about what their future tank should be like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LoooSeR Posted June 15, 2023 Report Share Posted June 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Wiedzmin said: Spoiler Is there any info on what hit this tank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiedzmin Posted June 15, 2023 Report Share Posted June 15, 2023 haven't seen any Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAKI2019 Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 Leopard 2A6 VS Kornet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 Could be Green Lantern VS Superman. Nothing possible to see at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laviduce Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 On 6/15/2023 at 9:38 PM, LoooSeR said: Is there any info on what hit this tank? IMHO, looks like some artillery HE to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 34 minutes ago, Laviduce said: IMHO, looks like some artillery HE to me. Yeah, most likely. Question was what exactly - artillery shell, mortar mine, MLRS rocket direct hit or something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiedzmin Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 you can see rocket engine moving towards target Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SH_MM Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 New Leguans for Denmark being tested. I must say, I never paid attention to the new driver hatch design for the Leguan - a swivel hatch like on pre-2A5 tanks, but quite a bit beefed up. Commander seems to have only a simple flip up hatch. SnakeKqcke, Laser Shark and Serge 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pardus Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 Interview of Ukrainian Leopard 2 crews: https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/on-the-front-in-ukraine-going-into-battle-in-a-leopard-2-tank-a-9baffb53-1e5b-4a18-8ec5-173d067721af Laser Shark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted June 21, 2023 Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 Wisent 2 for Hungary during visit of Stoltenberg at FFG. https://epaimages.com/search.pp?flush=1&eventid=1186106 Laser Shark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laser Shark Posted June 29, 2023 Report Share Posted June 29, 2023 A third batch of 11 Wisent 2s was just confirmed for Norway. 8 will be in the AEV role, and the remaining 3 in the ARV role. FMA also makes a point to mention that some of these were needed to replace the 3 NM189 AEVs and the single NM217 ARV that were donated to Ukraine earlier this year. https://www.fma.no/aktuelt-og-media/2020/forsvaret-far-flere-ingenior-og-bergingspanservogner Another 2 LEGUAN Leo 2 AVLBs are also in the pipeline, but there's been no news of any contract just yet. And finally, the option to purchase the additional 18 Leo 2A8NOR apparently runs out today, so unless we see some kind of announcement on this today, even just an extension of the deadline, I don't have much hope for any additional MBTs for Norway. Rico and SH_MM 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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