SH_MM Posted April 12, 2022 Report Share Posted April 12, 2022 Maybe this is part of the roof armor... but I wonder why would the roof armor inserts be in place of the Leopard 2 TVM handed over to Munster while other armor inserts were removed from the tank. Aren't these the center roof armor modules? These seem to be NERA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiedzmin Posted April 13, 2022 Report Share Posted April 13, 2022 10 hours ago, SH_MM said: . but I wonder why would the roof armor inserts be in place of the Leopard 2 TVM handed over to Munster while other armor inserts were removed from the tank. have no idea 10 hours ago, SH_MM said: Aren't these the center roof armor modules? These seem to be NERA. not sure about NERA/SLERA/whatever. but yes but this is serial Leo2HEL modules, maybe TVM has some other options, or maybe those glass blocks not armor, tbh don't know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sentrix Posted April 26, 2022 Report Share Posted April 26, 2022 Leopard 2a6ma3 ? SH_MM and Laviduce 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiedzmin Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 https://patents.google.com/patent/DE102009033563A1/de https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search/family/006702294/publication/DE7908157U1?q=pn%3DDE7908157U1 "The bulkhead 40 of complex shape, on the other hand, consists of maraging steel and is likewise connected to the walls 37 and 38 by weld seams." Laviduce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanch90 Posted May 14, 2022 Report Share Posted May 14, 2022 New Leopard 2 variant announced for the Eurosatory. Looks like the same turret for the Lynx 120, among other novelties. Laviduce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_James Posted May 14, 2022 Report Share Posted May 14, 2022 4 hours ago, alanch90 said: New Leopard 2 variant announced for the Eurosatory. Looks like the same turret for the Lynx 120, among other novelties. Laviduce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Posted May 16, 2022 Report Share Posted May 16, 2022 There is something leaking about the Czech-German deal I mentioned in another thread. Nothing official so take it with a grain of salt. The deal is said to consist of - 20 Leopard 2A4 for free - 40 Leopard 2A7+ on commercial contract - some recovery and engineering vehicles The Leo 2A4 shall be used for initial transition period and training before the newly built 2A7+ arrive. After that the A4 will be probably modernized. If it goes through it may also affect the already started project for another upgrade of our 30 T-72M4 tanks which shall consist mainly of a new FCS and optics (it is still in quotation phase). Rico and Clan_Ghost_Bear 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 Sounds roughly like the same amount that Hungary will get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Posted May 18, 2022 Report Share Posted May 18, 2022 On 5/16/2022 at 9:59 PM, Beer said: There is something leaking about the Czech-German deal I mentioned in another thread. Nothing official so take it with a grain of salt. The deal is said to consist of - 20 Leopard 2A4 for free - 40 Leopard 2A7+ on commercial contract - some recovery and engineering vehicles The Leo 2A4 shall be used for initial transition period and training before the newly built 2A7+ arrive. After that the A4 will be probably modernized. If it goes through it may also affect the already started project for another upgrade of our 30 T-72M4 tanks which shall consist mainly of a new FCS and optics (it is still in quotation phase). Today our MOD released an official statement about the deal. You can find it here in Czech. In short it differs from the previously posted rumors only in details. The deal shall be signed this summer. - 14 Leopard 2A4 + 1 Buffel for free, to be deliverd in half a year, to be modernized to 2A7+ level later - up to 50 new Leopard 2A7+ (including specialized variants) on commercial contract, to be delivered "shortly afterwards" All tanks to be ordered in cooperation with German MOD under the same or very similar conditions (including price) with Czech industry involvement in deliveries of both Czech and German tanks (new production line?). Details of that are not available atm. The MOD also commented on the option to buy Abrams. They said they were interested but the US offered a delivery date only after 2030. Żółć and Alzoc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laviduce Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 "...They said they were interested but the US offered a delivery date only after 2030." Why would it take GDLS so long to potentially deliver these vehicles so late ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SH_MM Posted May 21, 2022 Report Share Posted May 21, 2022 According to an article published by the German newspaper Der Spiegel, Poland also was offered a "circular exchange" deal (Poland sending tanks to Ukraine, then Germany sending tanks to Poland as replacement), but the deal did not go through. Germany offered older Leopard 2 tanks that would be upgraded at a later point of time (not clear to what configuration), but Poland insisted on receiving "the latest model" (i.e. the Leopard 2A7V). Currently Germany has received some 49 Leopard 2A7V tanks of which some 30 have been promised to take part in the VJTF 2023, hence only about 19 would have been available. But the Bundeswehr needs these tanks for itself. Even though Poland did not pick up Germany's offer, the Polish vice foreign minister complains about "Germans breaking their words" because Germany publicly stated that it would replace ex-Soviet gear send to Ukraine "with modern weapons". From the German perspective, Poland and also Slovenia are trying to use the current Russo-Ukrainian war to modernize their military for free. The Polish MiG-29 offer (demanding free F-16 from the United States as replacement) is seen as a similar example. Clan_Ghost_Bear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiedzmin Posted May 29, 2022 Report Share Posted May 29, 2022 don't know which version of AV is this Beer and Laviduce 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägerlein Posted May 29, 2022 Report Share Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) 180 A7 are a substantial number. Edited May 29, 2022 by Jägerlein wrong link ffs Laviduce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SH_MM Posted May 29, 2022 Report Share Posted May 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Wiedzmin said: don't know which version of AV is this This should be PT19, assuming all photos show the same tank. It has the license number "Y-04 002" and was the Leopard 2AV prototype sent to the United States for evaluation in 1976. PT19 featured the Hughes-designed FCS and could be configured to be used with the 105 mm L7A3 and the Rh 120 guns. The Leopard 2AV PT20 was only fitted with the 105 mm L7 gun, but featured the EMES 13 sight and an FCS made by AEG. The EMES 13 allows to identify it from most angles. PT20 also had the license plate "Y-04 003". Aside of the two prototypes PT19 and PT20, West-Germany also created the turret T21 as part of the Leopard 2AV project, which was later fitted to the PT20 hull for trials, featuring the 120 mm Rh 120 gun and the Hughes FCS Laviduce, Lord_James and Beer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiedzmin Posted May 30, 2022 Report Share Posted May 30, 2022 12 hours ago, SH_MM said: from most angles. and used hull from 2K ? more pics Laviduce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SH_MM Posted May 30, 2022 Report Share Posted May 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Wiedzmin said: and used hull from 2K ? In the second photo the hull from PT20 is used for the T21 turret (after trials with the PT20 were largely finished). When this was done, the T20 turret was apparently mounted on an older hull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiedzmin Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 The experience of the tests of the Leopard in Arabia showed the need to check and clean the filters 7 of the 12 days of practice in the desert, at the rate of a check every 168 km [4]. To carry out optimal maintenance of the intake system, the cyclone filters and the paper filter cartridges must be disassembled and cleaned with compressed air at less than 5 bar from the inside out. If there is even the slightest damage to the filters, they must be replaced [12]. In addition, the filter covers and the casing must be checked and cleaned (see Annex B). -The normal operating temperature of the motor must not exceed 100ºC; The Leopard's integrated security system indicates with an alarm on the driver's panel that the temperature is exceeding 110ºC and prevents the MBT from operating if the temperature is not reduced immediately [12]. - The engine intake system is not sufficiently protected against the high concentration of particles (sand and dust), so it could accumulate in the chamber in which it is located, damaging the systems (sand is very abrasive), occluding the ducts and clogging filters. During tests carried out in Saudi Arabia in 2011, the following problems were detected, which could not be resolved on the ground: - With the MBT operating at more than 40 km/h, the temperature of the motor rose to 110ºC, preventing the security system from continuing its operation. Because of this, every 5 km at this speed, it was necessary to stop for 15 minutes to cool down the engine [4]. https://zaguan.unizar.es/record/94978/files/TAZ-TFG-2015-2603.pdf SH_MM, Clan_Ghost_Bear, LoooSeR and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 Few more details about the Czech-German Leopard 2 deal. The gift of the Leo 2A4 contains also certain ammo and spare parts package. The MOD again confirmed that the tanks will be rebuilt to 2A7+ standard after 2025 but they also admitted that it meant that only the turret skelet would be kept from the original 2A4 tanks, i.e. the tanks would be basically built anew. The MOD speaker also answered several other questions from the media. He stated that our currently used pontoon bridges could hold the Leo 2A4 but could not hold the 2A7+. The MOD is going to buy new ones with allowed load up to 72 tons. Regarding the need to introduce the loader back into the staff of the armed forces (loaders were removed with the end of service of T-55AM2 tanks) he said he didn't see that as an issue. Clan_Ghost_Bear, Stimpy75, Laviduce and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägerlein Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 Meanwhile sad looking Bundeswehr 2A6A3A4A5 wannabe A7s Laviduce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SH_MM Posted June 3, 2022 Report Share Posted June 3, 2022 Rheinmetall's new MBT is called "Panther". Spicy name. Clan_Ghost_Bear, Alzoc and Ramlaen 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_James Posted June 3, 2022 Report Share Posted June 3, 2022 6 hours ago, SH_MM said: Rheinmetall's new MBT is called "Panther". Spicy name. I swear I can hear a faint chanting in the background, voiced by millions of wehraboos, purporting victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAKI2019 Posted June 4, 2022 Report Share Posted June 4, 2022 A New turret, but I still want a new hull based on MTU 883. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Murderface Posted June 4, 2022 Report Share Posted June 4, 2022 On 6/3/2022 at 1:00 PM, SH_MM said: Rheinmetall's new MBT is called "Panther". Spicy name. From Rheinmetall themselves: https://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/en/rheinmetall_defence/public_relations/eurosatory_1/location_map_2/index.php Seems to go by KF51 MBT these days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 According to El País Spain aims for delivery of about 40 Leo 2A4 to Ukraine. https://elpais.com/espana/2022-06-05/espana-dispuesta-a-entregar-a-ucrania-misiles-antiaereos-y-carros-de-combate-leopard.html The issue is that from what I remember these tanks used to be in pitiful condition. Spain tried to sell them to half of the world previously but everyone refused (including Czechia and Poland). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Beer said: According to El País Spain aims for delivery of about 40 Leo 2A4 to Ukraine. https://elpais.com/espana/2022-06-05/espana-dispuesta-a-entregar-a-ucrania-misiles-antiaereos-y-carros-de-combate-leopard.html The issue is that from what I remember these tanks used to be in pitiful condition. Spain tried to sell them to half of the world previously but everyone refused (including Czechia and Poland). Oh boy. And i was thinking that we may have get one of Leos that was lost by Turkish forces in Syria, heh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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