Wiedzmin Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 On 7/16/2021 at 9:16 PM, Korvette said: I would like some feedback but imo this gives a pretty good insight to the tanks turret, I will be maybe working on a full analysis of the turret mantlet soon if I feel like it to see an accurate representation of its armor there not much to "analyze" LOS without backplate us 700-ish so... mantlet is simple weakspot without any magic SH_MM and Laviduce 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 Watching the mythology of Challenger 2 collapse finally after all these years has been deeply satisfying to me. Lord_James and Dragonstriker 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laviduce Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 42 minutes ago, Sturgeon said: Watching the mythology of Challenger 2 collapse finally after all these years has been deeply satisfying to me. But muh heavy, muh chobham armor, muh resisting 70+ RPGs + Milan, muh... !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Korvette Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 13 hours ago, Wiedzmin said: there not much to "analyze" LOS without backplate us 700-ish so... mantlet is simple weakspot without any magic It's definitely sub 700 no matter what. The air gap far exceeds the LOS of the front mantlet piece of the set up with some basic measuring, and consider that you can see the diameter of the trunnion in the turret shell photos it's very mediocre, so sub 600mm effective LOS down to 550. The trunnion is probably cast too considering the shape... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korvette Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 9 hours ago, Sturgeon said: Watching the mythology of Challenger 2 collapse finally after all these years has been deeply satisfying to me. Won't collapse yet for a fair bit. So many are still holding onto that mantlet, the suspension making the tank mobile, the 'dorchester', the L27 being a mythical round, the LFP not being an existent target. A tank failing in trials is somehow okay but a tank 'failing' in combat is indicative of bad design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Moyes Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 6 hours ago, Ramlaen said: Ramlaen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 3 hours ago, Korvette said: Won't collapse yet for a fair bit. So many are still holding onto that mantlet, the suspension making the tank mobile, the 'dorchester', the L27 being a mythical round, the LFP not being an existent target. A tank failing in trials is somehow okay but a tank 'failing' in combat is indicative of bad design. Idk man it seems to be largely falling apart to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korvette Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Sturgeon said: Idk man it seems to be largely falling apart to me. To anyone that's got even a remotely trained eye the CR2 was already atrocious, at least that's what I assumed, I was thinking more about the regular person still has that image probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiedzmin Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 11 hours ago, Korvette said: s definitely sub 700 no matter what. i'm only about turret, mantlet is simple 50mm RHA(or even less) + rotor(cradle) which can't be much thciker than 200-250mm those "v" shaped weldments on mantlet also strange... David Moyes, SH_MM, Beer and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 8 hours ago, Korvette said: To anyone that's got even a remotely trained eye the CR2 was already atrocious, at least that's what I assumed, I was thinking more about the regular person still has that image probably. Yeah you're right about that. Maybe I just hang out too much here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Korvette Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 7 hours ago, Wiedzmin said: i'm only about turret, mantlet is simple 50mm RHA(or even less) + rotor(cradle) which can't be much thciker than 200-250mm those "v" shaped weldments on mantlet also strange... Oh I get it now. Very nice photos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korvette Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Sturgeon said: Yeah you're right about that. Maybe I just hang out too much here. Though I still do see what you mean, I've noticed a lot of people sometimes realizing some of the infinite disadvantages the CR2 has on its belt compared to any other MBT, but not many people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 9 hours ago, Wiedzmin said: i'm only about turret, mantlet is simple 50mm RHA(or even less) + rotor(cradle) which can't be much thciker than 200-250mm those "v" shaped weldments on mantlet also strange... Not sure I'm seeing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 I can tell you once I started laying out Comanche's turret it became obvious how bad CR2's armor must be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korvette Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 12 minutes ago, Sturgeon said: Not sure I'm seeing it. Spoiler 360mm cast armor + the front piece which is 2/3rds hollow so around -50-100mm RHA (hopefully RHA) sloped based on the photos wiedz posted, you get not enough armor to stop any soviet/russian round after the 90's into the 2000s and beyond. And a jammed elevation drive. This isn't including that it basically takes up 1/3rd of the total turret face of the tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 Oh sure I thought there was something else illuminating in those photos we hadn't established. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 On 5/26/2021 at 8:34 AM, Sovngard said: A closer look to the Challenger 2 mantlet : Some even more illuminating photos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korvette Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Sturgeon said: Oh sure I thought there was something else illuminating in those photos we hadn't established. No it was just the mantlet he was outlining, I assume. But in general what hasn't been established to be bad about the tank, it's quite hard to jeer the tank now sometimes since its all already known stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korvette Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 New blockbuster: AJAX: Pumping Iron (and a lot of money) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanch90 Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 9 hours ago, Korvette said: New blockbuster: AJAX: Pumping Iron (and a lot of money) Is there an audio of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiedzmin Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 one more but on CR1 i made drawing based on photogrammetry of tank(very low quality sadly) and it's possible that CR1 turret front is asymmetical(same as sides)... Laviduce and David Moyes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Moyes Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 @alanch90https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/a76c7259-26f3-43f2-b721-03957c76fcd3 17:16:59 alanch90 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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