The M4 Sherman Tank Epic Information Thread.. (work in progress)

[EnsignExpendable]

How wrong is the Mongram/Revell 1:32 Sherman? 

[Jeeps_Guns_Tanks]

How wrong is the Mongram/Revell 1:32 Sherman? 

 

 

I'll have to dig around a bit, but if I recall right, it's not truly 1/32 scale and is based off very old molds, that have lots of flaws. 

[EnsignExpendable]

Jeeps, were there any M4A2s with HVSS suspensions? I don't have any tracks for the Pacific M4A2 you sent me, and the local store has a HVSS suspension + tracks. Would that be accurate? Would I need to upgrade the gun?

[Jeeps_Guns_Tanks]

Only ones with the T23 76mm turret. 

[EnsignExpendable]

Cool, thanks.

[Meplat]

I'll have to dig around a bit, but if I recall right, it's not truly 1/32 scale and is based off very old molds, that have lots of flaws. 

 

There were quite a few variants of that kit, some were better than others.

 

The older versions were not far removed from "semi accurate toys" as opposed to a "scale model".

[EnsignExpendable]

Here's a neat Sherman mod.

 

[EnsignExpendable]

And another

 

[Jeeps_Guns_Tanks]

Are those Tiger tracks?

[EnsignExpendable]

I think so.

[Scolopax]

The Sherman seems to be missing a few of its own, as well as the rear idler wheel.

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[Jeeps_Guns_Tanks]

 

Nice!  Of course, when just the Pugs head was sticking up, it was hard to tell him from a normal Canadian. 

[Collimatrix]

Got a question.  I was looking at your page on transmissions, and the picture where they've got the transmission cover of the sherman pulled off with the transmission in it.

 

You can see that the driver's controls stay inside the tank.  But the pictures of the tranny show the gear shift levers as being attached.

[DogDodger]

The steering levers are disconnected as part of the transmission removal process. Was that what you were asking?

[Collimatrix]

Yes, that is what I was curious about.

[Jeeps_Guns_Tanks]

Yeah, and its not very hard to get to the connectors, and there are not very many. 

[Bronezhilet]

[Jeeps_Guns_Tanks]

That's a rather beat up composite hull Firefly IC. Cool pics!

[Priory_of_Sion]

Is there any data on the camouflaged Firefly barrel being useful at all?

[Jeeps_Guns_Tanks]

Not that I've seen, but that doesn't mean it's not out there, I have relatively little info in Fireflys units.

[Jeeps_Guns_Tanks]

New post NEW POST!!!!!!

 

Subjugated Shermans:  Sherman tanks captured and used by the Nazis

This early production M4A1 75 tank has DV ports, and the stubby mantlet. it was probably captured from the British in North Africa. Note the armor thickness and angle stenciled on the tank, the Germans were giving it an extensive workout during their testing.

 

Sometimes a tank crew can get spooked and bail out of a functional tank. Or, a tank can be left disabled on the battlefield, and be repaired by the bad guys. The Germans were so desperate for tanks, they happily used any Sherman's they captured, and unlike the T-34 they didn't feel the need to modify the in any way. The Germans managed to capture Shermans from the Russians, UK, and Americans. The Japanese never captured an intact Sherman. I don’t think the Italians managed to capture one either.

 

Depending on the crew quality, little things can cause them to abandon  the tank, and it seems to be a universal problem, since I've read of just about all of the warring nations having crews bail out from fright, when the tank had sustained only minor, or cosmetic damage.  In other cases, the tank takes real damage, like a lost track, an engine problem or a hit that took out an internal fixture.  The crew has a duty to destroy the tank before leaving it behind. There is a whole procedure covering how to do it, and what to destroy if you only have a short amount of time, including many methods.  The methods range from blowing the tank up with special grenades, to just destroying the machine guns, main gun and radios.  This is covered in FM17-67 Crew Drill and Service of the Piece Medium Tank M4 Series.

 

There are many reasons why a crew might not be able to destroy their tank. If the crew is killed as they bailed out or after, or captured, since if they are under fire while they get out, the tank falling into enemy hands isn’t going to be on a soldiers mind in many cases. In some cases the green crews who panic and bail out, just don’t bother even checking the tank over before running.  I’ve read of many cases of German crews just leaving the tank, hatches all open, without booby traps and walking off when their Panther inevitably broke down or ran out of gas.

 

Even though the Sherman was an automotive masterpiece they could only dream of producing, the Germans were still capable of keeping them running. A German tank mechanic would find even the A57 a breath of fresh air in ease of trouble shooting and reliability. They also liked to use the captured Shermans as ARV, often with the turrets removed. Having a very tough powertrain and a reliable and robust motor is a very nice thing in a Armored Recovery Vehicle, and the Shermans was just that. It most have been terribly frustrating for the Germans to get a Bergepather in place to try and tow a broken down Panther, only to have it break down too!

 

Now onto the photos, sorry, but the Germans seem to be as bad at photography, at least of captured Shermans, as they are at tank design, so many of the images are small and blurry.

 

An M4A2 large hatch Sherman, this was a very late production 75mm tank, near the end of the run. Note the armored patches on the hull, it has the large hatch hull but still had the dry ammo racks. The crew looks pretty pleased with their tank, it was more reliable, got better gas mileage and was more comfortable than than the Panzer III that were stuck in before.

 

Germans looking at a capture Lee got to crew and wondering why their nation couldn't produce a tank as reliable as this one.

 

This M3 Lee was captured and put to work by the Nazis.

 

An M3 Lee in being used by Nazi Germany

 

You can find four more images of this M3 Lee in German hands below.

 

You can find three more images of this M3 Lee in German hands below.

 

An M3 Lee in Nazi hands. Probably captured in Russia

 

Three shots of the same captured M3 Lee, lend lease tank, in Nazi hands.

 

Three shots of the same captured M3 Lee, lend lease tank, in Nazi hands.

 

Three shots of the same captured M3 Lee, lend lease tank, in Nazi hands.

 

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tured M3 Lee in use by the Nazis

In this image we can see an m4A1 and M3 Lee in Nazi hands. This must be a testing center where they run the tanks and figure out just what it can do. The M4A1 is an early direct vision tank

A Soviets M3 Lee lend lease tank, in the hands of the Nazis, who were clearly more than willing to use a tank with a decent gun that was reliable.

 

Nazis marveling over the advanced M3 Lee tank. This was probably the first time they had seen a stabilized 37mm gun. This tank also had a stabilized 75mm gun. The Germans never managed to get a stabilizer in a tank during the war.

 

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The Germans sure did like to take pictures of Shermans at just the right angle to make it really hard to tell what model it was. Thanks Nazis. Anyway, this is either a Firefly IC or Vc. 

 

A M4 tank that the Nazis had been using, knocked out and back in American hands.

 

A Firefly Ic or Vc in use by the Nazis, probably a Vc

 

A Firefly Ic, captured and in use by the Nazis

 

A Nazi tanker marveling at the superior design of the American periscope on this Firefly Ic or Vc.

 

A Firefly Vc or Ic in Nazi hands

 

Captured M4A1 with writing on the side, the same tank is in the picture below.

 

An M4A1 in the hands of Nazi scum, with a Nazi flag soiling its front plate, if tanks had souls, this one would be crying out in pain for being subjugated by the Nazis!

 

An M4A3 76w tank captured by the Germans and then knocked out.

 

A Firefly Vc, see the big bulge behind the turret for the radiator, in Nazi hands. It must have bewildered the Germans a tank with an engine so complicated could actually be reliable!

A captured Firefly Vc, in use by the Nazis, note the large number of German crosses, they really didn't want to get friendly fired.

 

A captured Firefly Vc or IC, with a pair of Nazis in front of it.

 

An X Firefly VC in Nazi hands

 

An Ic or Vc Firefly in Nazi hands

 

A captured M4A1 near a bunch of Nazi horse carts. Yeah, the Germans still depended on horses for much of the supply chain. Stupid Nazis.

 

A longer shot of the knocked out captured Firefly Ic or Vc.

 

An M4A3 76 w tank captured by the Nazis, and then destroyed by the US Army, being inspected by US Army troops

 

A captured Vc Firefly in Nazi hands.

 

A knocked out M4A2 large hatch tank, captured by the Nazis from the Soviets.

 

A Vc Firefly in Nazi hands

 

Nazi tankers look over the suspension of their Ic or Vc Firefly

 

A captured Ic or Vc Firefly with Nazis looking at it.

 

A captured Ic or Vc Firefly in Nazi hands

 

The Germans sure seem to have a lot of captured Firefly tanks, this is either an IC or Vc.

 

This image has been flipped, the you can see the armored plug and commanders hatches on the wrong side on this Vc or IC Firefly.

 

This one is either an Ic or Vc Firefly in Nazi hands. I can't tell on the wheel spacing at this angle.

 

A captured M4A1 75 tank.

 

 

A large number of captured, lend lease, M4A2 75 Shermans in fascist hands.

 

An captured and knocked out M4A3 76w with a dead German on the front of the hull.

 

An M4 hull being, modified for use as an ARV, in Nazi use. The crew looks very pleased with itself, and this confidence clearly comes from having an awesome ARV at their disposal.

 

A very bad shot of a captured small hatch M4A1.

 

 

An M4 captured by the Germans, it looks like they cannibalized it for parts., since the final tranny and final drives are missing.

 

A pair of Nazi tankers on their captured Firefly Vc or Ic

 

An Ic or Vc Firefly with lots of extra track on the front, that was in in Nazi hands and was recaptured by the Brits.

 

Several captured Vc Firefly tanks, and a Sherman V also captured and in use by the fascists.

In these two shots, it looks like British Soldiers inspect a knocked out, captured M4A2, somewhere in North Africa

In these two shots, it looks like British Soldiers inspect a knocked out, captured M4A2, somewhere in North Africa

This looks like an M4A3 75w tank that fell into Nazi hands. This was probably another tank captured during the Battle of the Bulge.

 

A knocked out large hatch M4A2 75 dry tank, the Nazi scum captured from the Soviets.

A captured Firefly Ic or Vc, it looks like it was freshly knocked out.

This image shows a Sherman that was in Nazi custody back in American hands. The Tank is an M4A3 76w probably captured during the battle of the bulge.

Most of the images for this post came from WorldWarPhotos.com and many others came from Waralbum.ru. Both excellent sources for high resolution images from the war.

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New post!! Please check out the wehraboo entry and tell me if this is to much. 

 

Sherman Terms: A glossary of Sherman words and some of the other lingo this site uses.

 

When I started the site, I assumed most readers would be fairly familiar with tanks, and the terms associated with them.  That’s probably not a very good assumption, so I decided to do a site glossary.

 

A57:

The motor used in the M4A3 and Sherman V tanks. It used five inline 6 car motors tied together on a common crankcase.

 

Armor Rolled:

Flat plate armor, this type of armor was used on the M4, M4A2, M4A3 and M4A4 and all the Sherman based TDs.

 

Armor Cast:

Armor made by pouring molten steel into a mold.

 

ARV:

The abbreviation for Armored Recovery Vehicle, usually a modified tank use to tow other tanks out of the places they went and got stuck.

 

Applique Armor:

Armor added over the ammo racks in the hull sponsons, and this spot on the front right of the turret on the M4 series.

 

Auxiliary motor:

A small gas motor mounted in the sponson of Shermans used to charge the tanks batteries when the tank isn’t running and heat the tank.

 

Bogie:

The complete bogie assembly, including the two wheels, suspension arms, return roller and skid. Each Sherman had three bogie assemblies.

 

Bogie wheels:

The wheels the tanks tracks run on. There is a wide variety of types of bogies or road wheels. The Sherman has at least 5 different, interchangeable types, and each tank has its own type as well.

 

Bow Machine gun:

The machine gun mounted in the front right of the Sherman tanks hull and manned by the co-driver.

 

Co-axial Machine gun:

The machine gun mounted next to the main gun in a tank.

 

Composite Hull:

A Sherman that had a cast portion of the hull and welded portion, a very advanced technique used to simplify the number of welds needed to build a Sherman, without the need for the huge complete hull casting that not all Sherman makers could do.

 

Crunchy:

The term tankers use for infantry, usually the enemy’s but can be slang for all things on two feet.

 

Cupola:

The name for the hatch the commander used, it usually had some form of extra viewing device built into it, and later ones allowed the Sherman to have nice all around view without cracking the hatch. This was one of the few truly excellent features of the German cats, the later production Tigers, Panthers and King Tigers all had very nice ones. 44

 

Direct Vision:

Early Sherman tanks had actual armored flaps that could be opened and closed from inside the tank for the driver and co-driver to look out from during combat, along with the periscope in the hatch above them. It was found that bullet splash could enter even when closed and it was a weak spot in the frontal armor.  They started welding the DV ports shut and covering them up with extra armor in the field and factory, and then the hull casting was improved to remove the DV ports, replacing them with an extra periscope for the driver and co-driver.

 

Dozer Sherman:

A Sherman with the Dozer blade kit attached.

 

Dry Storage:

Early Shermans had their ammunition stored in racks around the hull, in the sponsons, under the floor and around the base of the turret.  These tanks were found to be very prone to fire if the ammunition,  much of it exposed around the turret was hit.  Once they figured  out this was the main reason the Sherman burned, they added armor around all the ammo racks, removed all the exposed round around the base of the turret, and added a small armored ready  rack at the loaders feet. These changes made the Sherman safer, but the ammo was still in easy to hit locations in the sponsons. These changes also were not universally popular with the crews, who in many cases wanted as much main gun ammo as they could pack in the tank.

 

Drive Sprocket: 

The spiked wheel that applies engine power to the tracks, they can be found on the front or rear of tanks, depending on the layout of the automotive components. Most modern tanks put the motor, transmission and final drive with the sprocket in the back. In WWII, most allied and German tanks had the transmission and final drives in the front, with the motor in the back,  this causes tanks like the M4 Sherman, Panzer III and IV, Panther, Tiger, and Tiger II all taller than they needed to be. The Soviets adopted rear power packs before the war.

 

Duckbill End Connector:

Track blocks are held together with end connectors that hold two track pins together. Duckbill end connectors were a standard end connector with a long duckbill like extension welded to it to help spread the tanks weight out in soft and muddy conditions.  They were both factory produced and installed, and locally sourced in France and installed on tanks already in the field.

 

End Connector:

The steel connector that holds the track pins together. These have to be lighted all the time and they wear out. When a tank comes to a halt, and it’s not under fire,  if the crew has the time several will jump out and start tightening them.

 

Exhaust Deflector:

A large armored steel vent assembly mounted on late model Shermans to have deflect the exhaust gases away from the ground, so the tank doesn’t stir up as much dust.

 

Fighting Compartment:

On the Sherman, the turret and co drivers position were all part of the fighting compartment. In a modern tank it’s just the turret.

 

Final Drive:

The gears used to transfer power from the transmission to the drive sprockets.  They were extremely robust on the Sherman, and able to take numerous upgrades that added weight without their failure rate going up. They were good enough to take the power of every power pack put into a Sherman.  They must have been a tad overdesigned and were much stronger than the final drives in the Panther tank.  The Panthers

Final Drives were the tanks main Achilles heel. Not only were the gears weak, the housings were also weak and flexed, causing already weak gears to implode that much faster.  The Panthers spur gear final drives, even with the improved housing was so weak, it wouldn’t have been a choice for a 30 ton tank, let along the 45 ton disaster it ended up. The Shermans final drivers were stronger than the Panthers by a pretty big margin. 

 

GAA:

The V8 motor that powered the M4A3 Sherman tank and several other vehicles based on the Sherman chassis. This motor was designed by cutting down an aircraft V12 Ford tried to sell the air force. When that didn’t work out and the Army told Ford it needed tank motors, they made some huge changes to the design, and the Ford GAA V8 tank motor arrived. This motor was generally viewed as the best motor the Sherman used. It was also a very advanced design, all aluminum dual overhead cam V8 capable of much more than it’s rated 500 horsepower.

 

Glacis Plate:

The frontal sloped plate of the Sherman tank or other tanks.

 

GM 6046:

The twin supercharged diesel motor that powered the M4A2 version of the Sherman thank, and the M10.  This motor got good mileage, had very good torque characteristics and was reliable and tough. The motor was well liked by all users, though the US Army only used it for training. The US Marine Corps used them for most of the war, and they were the preferred version of the Russians.

 

GM Twin Diesel:

The same motor as the GM 6046

 

Grouser:

A grouser is a large metal bar that can be strapped onto the tanks tracks for extra traction in snow, mud or ice. They were stored in special compartments on the rear of the Sherman. They usually ran sixe per track.

 

Grouser Cover:

This was the scoop like cover that went over the grouser compartment on the rear of the Shermans hull.

 

High Bustle:

Later 75mm Sherman turrets had the bustle in the back, that the radio was mounted in, raised slightly, to clear the hinge protrusions on the new large hatch hulls.

 

Hunnicutt:

Richard P. Hunnicutt, pretty much the number one authority in print on US Armor for decades. His books, long out of print, are just not coming back into print, and are must buys. He wrote the definitive book on the Sherman tank, Sherman, a history of the American Medium tank.

 

HVSS:

An abbreviation for Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension, the improved, later wider suspension and tracks used by the ‘Easy 8’ Shermans.

 

Idler:

The assembly at the back of the hull on the Sherman, that includes the idler wheel, and used to adjust track tension. 

 

Jumbo:

This was the nickname for the M4A3E2 Sherman tank with much heavier armor that was developed late in the war.

 

LCT:

A Landing craft large enough to take one or two tanks ashore, with a ramp in the front. Often operated from a Landing Ship Tank.

 

LSD:

Landing Ship Dock, is a large ship, that doesn’t land anything directly, but has a large internal well deck that allows the internal loading of landing craft. These ships were a bottleneck in the invasion capacity of the allies.

 

LST:

The Landing Ship Tank is a smallish ship that can carry a large number of tanks or other large vehicles directly to the beach or onto other landing craft. These Ships were not designed to hit beaches during the initial assault, but to deposit large amounts of cargo on already secure beaches. 4

 

Large Hatch:

A term used to identify later improved Shermans that had larger hull hatches that made it easier for the driver and co-driver to get in and out.

 

Lifting ring:

A large ring cast or welded into the hull or turret of a tank to lift it or a large part of it.

 

Low Bustle:

A term used for early Sherman turrets that had the low bustle, most Sherman turrets produced had the low bustle design, and it could even be modified slightly to work fine on large hatch hull tanks, they just to a small notch out of the bottom of the bustle armor.

 

M1A1/A2:

The main gun of the later 76mm armed Shermans.

 

M3 75mm:

The main gun of early 75mm Shermans.

 

M3 90mm:

The main gun of the M26 Pershing and M36 TD.

 

Periscope:

A device that used mirrors that allowed the crew to look outside the tank from inside, with no exposure. The Sherman had a lot of these for the crew, and as the tank was improved more were added. The Shermans used replaceable heads and could be raised and lowered, rotated in some cases and pivoted up and down. Every crew member had at least one.

 

Periscope housing/hatch:

The housing the periscope fit into, with a small armored flap to cover the hole when the periscope was removed.

 

Pistol Port:

The armored port on the side of many 75mm Sherman turrets and all 76 T23 based turrets. It could be used to fire small arms out of, drop grenades, or throw out garbage, or shell casings. It also let in light and fresh air when things were not hairy. At some point it was decided the port in the 75mm turrets was a weak spot, and it was removed from the casting. After much complaining from the field, it was put back in, but almost a years’ worth of Sherman production didn’t have them.

 

Power Take Off:

This means power take off, a mechanical port on the transmission, transfer case or motor that can be used to power other things off power of the main device. Often used for things like winches, the Germans used PTO from a transfer case to power the turret drive on several of the big cats. The Shermans Ford GAA used a form of PTO to power many of the engines accessories, but its turret drive was hydroelectric or electric drive.

 

R975:

The Sherman tank motor that started life as a Wright Aircraft motor, and was then licensed to Continental, and improved by them for use as a vehicle motor and it wasn’t bad. This radial motor was reliable, powerful for its weight, ran on standard grade gas, and was the Army choice motor until the GAA arrived and got reliable.

 

Registration Number:

The number on the tank that the government used to keep track of the steel beast, this number is key to figuring out the tanks manufacturing date, so if you run into a Sherman, jot it down and email it to the Sherman minutia site.

 

Remanufactured:

Many Shermans were rebuilt after being worn out in training. The remanufacturing process updated the tanks to the latest standards and returned them to new condition, so they could be re-issued to troops. Most existing Shermans have been remanufactured at least once, and many three or four times. This is why the serial number is important to figure out how it was produced.

 

Rotor:

The base of the main gun, a delicate area, and easy to damage even by small arms fire.

 

Rotor Shield:

The armor that covers the rotor, on early Shermans it was small and stubby, later it covered the face of the turret, when the telescopic site was added to the tanks. Armor could be added to the early stubby rotor shields, to cover the scope and the barrel of the co-ax mg, and these can be identified by the weld lines, later factory rotor shields are one large casting.

 

Track Block:

The part of the track that supports the tanks weight, a large number of these, 80 plus depending on the model of tank, held together with pins, and end connectors make up a track run.

 

Turret drive:

The system used to rotate the Sherman. Most tanks had at least manual gears to do this and many had a powered system. The best of these systems, like the preferred units in the Sherman used a powerful electric motor to power a hydraulic pump, which ran hydraulic motor to spin the turret at varying speeds. The Sherman had three types that could be found installed in various models, two combination hydraulic electric, and one pure electric. If you are bad at tank design, like the Germans, you use PTO or power take off, to power your turret drive.

 

Small Hatch:

This is used to refer to early Shermans that had the smaller drivers and co-drivers hatches along with hood bulges. The switch from small to large hatches was one of the major changes in Sherman production.

 

Splash Guard:

Welded or cast in sections of armor placed to protect things like the periscopes, turret ring, and gas cop covers. The type of splash guards found on a Sherman can help identify what factory made the tank.

 

Sponson:

The portion of a tanks hull found above the tracks, a feature done away with on most modern designs, including the follow on to the Sherman, the M26.

 

Stabilizer:

A system installed on the main gun that held the gun in the same vertical position as the tank moved. Modern systems allow a tank to shoot very accurately on the move. The Sherman’s system did not, but, it did let a crew who knew how to use it, get the get sited in after coming to a stop much faster than a tank that did not. It would also allow the tank to engage area and building size targets while on the move.  All American medium tanks from the M3 Lee, (both guns) to the Sherman and M26 had stabilizers. No German tanks had them, German tank technology was just too far behind the curve, and they didn’t even have prototypes versions.

 

Sturgeon House:

An information based forum that this whole thing started on as a thread. The thread is still there, and I still post all articles there first, for discussion before I post them on the web site.

 

VVSS:

The early narrow Sherman suspension, it stands for Vertical Volute Spring Suspension. There were four major versions of this suspension.

 

Wehraboo:

A term a group of frustrated history buffs from all walks of life came up with, though the actual word was made up by the Sturgeon of Sturgeon House, to describe a person obsessed with the supposed superiority of WWII German technology. I was pushing for Panzerfile, but wehraboo stuck, and I’m fine with it. The word has its origins in weaboo the slang people came up with for the person into Japanese anime or culture in the same way.

 

If you have ever posted to a History based forum, or a game forum for a game based in WWII, you’ve dealt with this guy. He’s the guy that thinks the Tiger II was never penetrated in combat, and when shown otherwise denies it. He’s the guy that is convinced the German army played no part in the Holocaust and was made up of honorable white Knights, saving Europe from the evil red hoards and communism. They are the guys that whine about the rape of German women by the soviets, but deny that the German armed forces raped and murdered their way all the way across Russia, waging a horrific war of genocide not just against the Jews, but all Russians! The worst of these guys are borderline holocaust and war crime deniers, and will always try and defend the honor of the German soldier by pointing out every atrocity they can find committed by the allies.

 

In a small part the wehraboo inspired me to put this site up. The Wehraboos have control of much of Wiki, they have sites like Attention Tiger and other websites dedicated to glorifying Nazis and their equipment, with little worry about the actual truth. Most gaming forums are overrun with them, and they are so vocal, and often been around so long, and in some cases are the moderators, getting the truth out is hard. This site is all about the truth about the Sherman.

 

This word is spreading; there are threads that use it tracking the stupid things wehraboos say on something awful and Reddit. Websites like Archival awareness and even the World of tanks website help crush the myths these guys cling to. So go forth and use the word, use it to label the nasty people who glorify Nazis equipment. These are not the people who are interested in the equipment, and history, if they are looking for the

 

Wet Storage:

Late model Shermans had the ammunition storage moved to the floor of the hull and encased in water jackets filled with basically coolant. Not all large hatch hull tanks got wet ammo racks, the large hatch composite hulls and large hatch M4A2 75mm tanks still had dry racks, as did all 105 tanks.

 

WOT:

World of Tanks, the best tank Arcade game on the market, yes, even now.

 

WT:

The poorly done, but pretty copy of WOT that includes airplanes.

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Neat Sherman

 

[Jeeps_Guns_Tanks]

I wonder what that was used for? It appears to be a firefly turret on an M4A3 large hatch hull with HVSS.