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@alanch90 your concept may work only if the ATGM can initiate AND remain effective at a point of 50 meters or higher from the tank, and then it would be a simple arms race of incremental upgrades and not revolutionary tech.

 

The Trophy is able to intercept targets at tens of meters away. I believe in the region of 30-40m.

 

Also take into account that roof armor exists. On the Merkava 4 it's exceptionally thick, and if current trends of development remain as they are, it's possible that many tanks in the future will feature enhanced roof armor.

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6 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

@alanch90 your concept may work only if the ATGM can initiate AND remain effective at a point of 50 meters or higher from the tank, and then it would be a simple arms race of incremental upgrades and not revolutionary tech.

 

The Trophy is able to intercept targets at tens of meters away. I believe in the region of 30-40m.

 

Also take into account that roof armor exists. On the Merkava 4 it's exceptionally thick, and if current trends of development remain as they are, it's possible that many tanks in the future will feature enhanced roof armor.

I agree with all your points. However, and only in theory, a larger EFP warhead will always have greater range and energy conservation than multiple much smaller EFPs (such as those used by Trophy), and even if they are in range, those little projectiles wouldnt be capable of stopping a much bigger one who also has the force of gravity on its favor. Such a scenario will condemn tanks to always dedicate a significant portion of their weight to roof protection, which the Merkava can do, but not every other MBT (im thinking about the Abrams equipped with Trophy).
Future APS will be forced to use more than one hardkill type, specializing against specific threats. For example, some cheap and slow moving RPG or LAW may be easily intercepted with something "equally" as simple/cheap such as Arena, while full blown top attack ATGMs may be intercepted only by anti-missile missile, like the monstruosity Raytheon developed years ago. A combination of several types of hardkill solutions may be whats needed to protect the AFV against the variety of threats-

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   Photos from the Iranian stand at the Iraqi exhibition IQDEX2019 in Baghdad from Mustafa Ahmad

   40 mm is for the RPG-7, 73 mm for the SPG-9 and 105 mm for the RPG-29 and their Iranian copies, respectively.
   Interestingly, the Iranians made a tandem and apparently thermobaric shots for the SPG-9, among the shots for the RPG-7 appeared analogues of TBG-7V and a new tandem shot. Well, and four options for RPG-29.

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There are also shots to the Iranian Toophan, Saeghe and I-Raad-T ATGMs, but there are already all known models of Iranian ATGM.

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This clip shows DRDO's Man-portable anti-tank guided missile (MPATGM) being tested during the day in guidance mode against  a stationary target. MPATGM has a maximum engagement range of 2.5 km and is being developed to equip the Indian Army's infantry battalions.

 

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   Tula Instrument Engineering Design Bureau named after A.G. Shipunov will order 3534 cases of anti-tank guided missiles 9M133. The notice of the electronic auction is posted on the government procurement website. The contract is estimated at 61 million 198 thousand 522 rubles. The shells must be delivered during the year: from December 2018 to December 2019.

35000 Kornets in 2019 are planned to be made, apparently.

 

 

 

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Typo, 3500 missiles.

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On 4/14/2019 at 7:01 PM, LoooSeR said:

http://www.tsn24.ru/kbp-zakazhet-3-5-tysyachi-korpusov-protivotankovyx-upravlyaemyx-raket.html

35000 Kornets in 2019 are planned to be made, apparently.

 

$955,431 does not sound like something that would buy you 35,000 missiles. In western figures, that's between 10 to 20 missiles depending on type.

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1 hour ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

$955,431 does not sound like something that would buy you 35,000 missiles. In western figures, that's between 10 to 20 missiles depending on type.

Typo, 3500 missiles.

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9 minutes ago, LoooSeR said:

Typo, 3500 missiles.

That's still too much for $1 million. I think this is just one part of a longer contract, to supply 3,500 missiles over an undefined amount of time, with $1 million being allocated to the manufacturer for the course of one year.

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