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A new article from "Ynet News" adds new info on the Barak and other programs. Just a reminder, Barak is an upgraded Merkava 4M.    https://www.yediot.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5043863,00.

Consider the geometry of actual armor without ignoring the LFP. In addition, the mass of the ammo is almost insignificant (25 kg per round and 40 or so rounds in the hull is 1 ton, vs 2 tons each

22 minutes ago, heretic88 said:

Something similar is already manufactured in slovakia. It is especially designed for demining, so its more durable than a barely modified skid-steer loader.

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http://www.bozena.eu

 

Especially designed platforms are more expensive and miss the whole point of expendability. What you're looking at here is not just a modified skid loader. That was an older variant meant for tight urban areas where the autonomous 65-ton D9 wouldn't pass.

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The new version is based on the IAI's Robattle, a modular autonomous UGV for all sorts of missions. This makes it cheaper, which makes the whole concept of UGVs more viable.

 

You can see it in a more typical dressing here:

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And completely naked here:

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I also wouldn't call it 'barely modified'. It is made to be autonomous, not remotely controlled. Sure, both are unmanned, but the difference is quite immense. A remotely controlled vehicle requires frequent input of an operator, and even a dedicated operator to operate just one vehicle. An autonomous vehicle can have little to no input, and allow an operator to control a whole fleet, and not just one vehicle.

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1 hour ago, MRose said:

https://www.janes.com/article/83690/idf-to-test-iron-fist-aps

 

Extremely doubtful the Trophy-HV will be going on the Eitan, if the IDF is testing the Iron Fist-LC

This is old news. Several months old, and I posted about this in this thread when it was reported.

 

There are several things many forget when looking at Israel's MIC's products.

Everything that is made by state-owned companies - Rafael, IMI (which will soon be privatized), and IAI, is developed first and foremost for the IDF, and only later is modified for export.

 

2nd to remember is that the Iron Fist was tested for every platform that now has the Trophy. This includes the Namer.

In the future, the Iron Fist Heavy will be the basis for a future APS to go on every platform considered heavy past 2020. But it will not be related to the IF-LD, so I give it very low chances of being selected for the Eitan.

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22 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

Everything that is made by state-owned companies - Rafael, IMI (which will soon be privatized), and IAI, is developed first and foremost for the IDF, and only later is modified for export.

 

The IF-LD was developed with the IDF in mind?

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1 minute ago, MRose said:

 

The IF-LD was developed with the IDF in mind?

Not necessarily, but the Iron Fist project was developed for the IDF, and any derivative may have been developed for export, though not necessarily. 

The IDF showed interest in procuring lighter iterations of existing APS, but was unable to do so because of a lack of fund.

As of the end of 2017, Rafael is contracted to provide 1,000 systems until 2027 for frontline vehicles only, which is MBTs, APCs, IFVs, CEVs, and that doesn't leave much for the lighter vehicles.

 

It is however very possible that the IDF will pursue some form of APS for its new, barely talked about 8-ton APCs, if it will deem it favorable over autonomous recon vehicles.

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33 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

It is however very possible that the IDF will pursue some form of APS for its new, barely talked about 8-ton APCs, if it will deem it favorable over autonomous recon vehicles.

 

You have some sources? That seems like a death trap

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2 hours ago, MRose said:

 

You have some sources? That seems like a death trap

Here:

https://news.walla.co.il/item/2855741

 

And minor correction: 12 tons.

This stands in line with the Gideon plan that says it pretty blatantly that due to budgetary constraints, the spearheading troops will get the best available gear while the lighter supporting formations will get the cheaper stuff. A 12 ton MRAP is cheap. Definitely cheaper than an Eitan or a Namer. The IDF cannot afford making thousands of Namers.

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3 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

Here:

https://news.walla.co.il/item/2855741

 

And minor correction: 12 tons.

This stands in line with the Gideon plan that says it pretty blatantly that due to budgetary constraints, the spearheading troops will get the best available gear while the lighter supporting formations will get the cheaper stuff. A 12 ton MRAP is cheap. Definitely cheaper than an Eitan or a Namer. The IDF cannot afford making thousands of Namers.

 

That seems more possible, but the article is from 2015 so is it possible plans have changed? I guess if you have a 1/2 person capsule that would provide enough protection, but what role would this fill? Guarding the flank and preventing infiltration? I thought the Eitan buy was suppose to be huge.

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7 hours ago, MRose said:

 

That seems more possible, but the article is from 2015 so is it possible plans have changed? I guess if you have a 1/2 person capsule that would provide enough protection, but what role would this fill? Guarding the flank and preventing infiltration? I thought the Eitan buy was suppose to be huge.

This is something close to the JLTV in its niche.

Plenty of utility work that the M113 currently does where you dont need a 35 ton Eitan.

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12 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

Plenty of utility work that the M113 currently does where you dont need a 35 ton Eitan.

 

On 10/10/2018 at 1:46 PM, Mighty_Zuk said:

It is however very possible that the IDF will pursue some form of APS for its new, barely talked about 8-ton APCs, if it will deem it favorable over autonomous recon vehicles.

 

Definitely a possibility, but I don't see the IDF using it in a dangerous role over let's say a Robattle.  I'd figure it will be something along the lines of a smaller Griffon or M-ATV, given Plasan is Israeli.

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One more thing, my dudes. I just found a drill order for tank crews on transporting infantrymen (and if it's a standard drill, it means they're regularly practicing it).

 

The manual says 1 passenger can board without any modifications.

3 can board with 1 ammo rack removed.

And 5 can board with both ammo racks removed.

 

So all the imaginary numbers suggesting 6 or 8 passengers are simply untrue.

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Screen-grab from that video, showing about 60 Merkava and Namer hulls awaiting assembly. The annual output of that factory has been 30 of each type, and with the expansion of the factory as part of its relocation, they should be able to produce large numbers of Eitan vehicles without slashing Merkava and Namer production, at least until 2027.

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