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Sheffield Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 Hey, just wanted to ask if someone could explain the terminology of the stuff on this snipet (in regards to the Leopard 2); Specifically - the Max speed, Max. aiming speed and Min. aiming speed - does this mean that Leopard 2 can and will elevate the cannon at 40°/s or is it limited to 9°/s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TWMSR Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 Sheffield, max speed is for rapid traverse, f.e. when you need to turn turret from 2'oclock to 6 o'clock or TC align turret position with his Peri. Aiming speeds are minis and maxes for responsive aiming, slow for precision 'sensing', fast for target tracking and FCS solution commands (you do not want do wait too long until gun elevates for shooting far-far away targets). Sheffield 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheffield Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 9 hours ago, TWMSR said: Sheffield, max speed is for rapid traverse, f.e. when you need to turn turret from 2'oclock to 6 o'clock or TC align turret position with his Peri. Aiming speeds are minis and maxes for responsive aiming, slow for precision 'sensing', fast for target tracking and FCS solution commands (you do not want do wait too long until gun elevates for shooting far-far away targets). Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korvette Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 14 hours ago, Wiedzmin said: Can't have shit in detroit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laser Shark Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 The first of six LEGUAN Leopard 2 AVLB have been delivered to Norway. Note that they will reuse the LEGUAN bridges of the current Leo 1 based NM190. Source: https://forsvaretsforum.no/forsvarsmateriell-haeren/forsvarsmateriell-har-mottatt-den-symbolske-nokkelen-til-den-forste-bropanservognen-til-norge/223531 Laviduce, Rico and Clan_Ghost_Bear 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SH_MM Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 German and Dutch Leguan 2 bridge-layers are usually equipped with add-on armor. Interesting to see Norway not fielding it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laser Shark Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 2 hours ago, SH_MM said: German and Dutch Leguan 2 bridge-layers are usually equipped with add-on armor. Interesting to see Norway not fielding it. Likely a weight saving measure. A while back it was reported that the Norwegian Public Roads Administration have been unwilling to permit the use of tanks/AFVs that are heavier than 62.5 tonnes on our roads, so vehicles like the Wisent 2 and new AVLBs cannot be used in their heaviest configurations. I also suspect that we’ll see similar weight saving measures on the proposed A7NO when it's eventually revealed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 14 hours ago, Laser Shark said: Likely a weight saving measure. A while back it was reported that the Norwegian Public Roads Administration have been unwilling to permit the use of tanks/AFVs that are heavier than 62.5 tonnes on our roads, so vehicles like the Wisent 2 and new AVLBs cannot be used in their heaviest configurations. I also suspect that we’ll see similar weight saving measures on the proposed A7NO when it's eventually revealed. I thought the AVLB might have a higher similarity with your Wisent 2s. Based on your picture they have an APU and 570 track instead of lithium pack and 571 track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laser Shark Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Rico said: I thought the AVLB might have a higher similarity with your Wisent 2s. Based on your picture they have an APU and 570 track instead of lithium pack and 571 track. The AVLBs won’t be transferred to the Army before 2023-24, so it’s possible that this won’t be it’s final configuration. That said, I do find it weird that it doesn’t have APB instead of APU already. Even if it wasn’t necessary to reduce the weight of this vehicle (???), you’d think it would still be a good idea to standardise on one solution. Rico 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 16 hours ago, Laser Shark said: Likely a weight saving measure. A while back it was reported that the Norwegian Public Roads Administration have been unwilling to permit the use of tanks/AFVs that are heavier than 62.5 tonnes on our roads, so vehicles like the Wisent 2 and new AVLBs cannot be used in their heaviest configurations. I also suspect that we’ll see similar weight saving measures on the proposed A7NO when it's eventually 1 hour ago, Laser Shark said: The AVLBs won’t be transferred to the Army before 2023-24, so it’s possible that this won’t be it’s final configuration. That said, I do find it weird that it doesn’t have APB instead of APU already. Even if it wasn’t necessary to reduce the weight of this vehicle (???), you’d think it would still be a good idea to standardise on one solution. Having only one system makes absolutely sense since it shares HIM, eases maintenance and the lithium pack reduces weight, noise and thermal emissions. Only reason for an APU would be if the AVLB needs long term 17kW power for silent watch which is not the case. We are currently having that discussion as well. Some are aiming towards APU because that is already in use but I think that the diesel engine will not be availble in the future anymore. Lithium is clearly the path to go for - on my opinion. Laser Shark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SH_MM Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 Leopard 2A4M CAN BaronTibere, Laser Shark, Laviduce and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Laser Shark Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 Canada Laviduce and Gun Ready 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gun Ready Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 This is an old training tank with the dozer blade from KMW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gun Ready Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 Additional engineer equipment had been adapted from Leopard 1 to Leopard 2 within the Tactical Mobility Implements (TMI) program: mine plough (IMI) and mine roller (Urdan). The common mechanical and electrical interface had been developed by KMW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 https://maavoimat.fi/en/-/firepower-and-interoperability-of-the-army-mbts-leopard-2-to-improve The Ministry of Defence has authorised the Finnish Defence Forces to sign a contract on the firing control system ballistics upgrade for the Army main battle tanks Leopard 2 A4 and 2 A6. The procurement will upgrade the capability of the MBTs Leopard 2 A4 and 2 A6 originally procured from Germany and the Netherlands. - The upgrade will incorporate into the Leopard MBT fleet the ability to fire new HE/FRAG projectiles in addition to the ammunition already in place. This will significantly improve the MBTs firepower, utilisation opportunities and ability to provide support to Army troops, Inspector of Infantry, Colonel Rainer Peltoniemi from the Army Command says. https://www.joint-forces.com/defence-equipment-news/28776-imi-systems-m339-120mm-tank-ammo-for-finland Press Release, Haifa, 13 January 2020: Elbit Systems announced today that its subsidiary, IMI Systems, was selected by the Finnish Ministry of Defence (Finnish MoD), following a competitive testing by the Finish Defence Forces (FDF), to provide the Finnish Army with the M339, a NATO compliant 120mm High Explosive Multi-Purpose ammunition, and Data Setting Units, for its Leopard 2 Main Battle Tanks (MBTs). Gun Ready 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glattrohr Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, Ramlaen said: https://maavoimat.fi/en/-/firepower-and-interoperability-of-the-army-mbts-leopard-2-to-improve The Ministry of Defence has authorised the Finnish Defence Forces to sign a contract on the firing control system ballistics upgrade for the Army main battle tanks Leopard 2 A4 and 2 A6. The procurement will upgrade the capability of the MBTs Leopard 2 A4 and 2 A6 originally procured from Germany and the Netherlands. - The upgrade will incorporate into the Leopard MBT fleet the ability to fire new HE/FRAG projectiles in addition to the ammunition already in place. This will significantly improve the MBTs firepower, utilisation opportunities and ability to provide support to Army troops, Inspector of Infantry, Colonel Rainer Peltoniemi from the Army Command says. This is great and long awaited news. The fragmentation performance of HEAT-MP is subtle, to put it mildly. One would guess Nammo would be the supplier for the round, being in nordic ownership and having advertised ready product for some years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glattrohr Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 17 hours ago, Glattrohr said: This is great and long awaited news. The fragmentation performance of HEAT-MP is subtle, to put it mildly. One would guess Nammo would be the supplier for the round, being in nordic ownership and having advertised ready product for some years now. I was wrong, the round in question is IMI M339 HE-MP-T. http://www.imisystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/120mm-M339-HE-MP-T-Tank-Cartridge-.pdf Source: https://maavoimat.fi/-/luonnos?fbclid=IwAR3DxcQ6khtydwvcBkH3bnOKIfYDmXrVfjI3NfQ_oE9PEzpY6RtLQYYc2gI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sentrix Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 http://tank-masters.de/?page_id=8790 good overview of the leopard 2a7v upgrade by ralph zwilling "For example, the protection level of the chassis will be increased by replacing the internal protection modules in the front of the hull with modern protection modules in D technology, adapting a front protection module at the bow, a duel glacis plate protection as well as catchers in the side hull area and the installation of universal brackets for the optional mounting of heavy side skirts. Since the hulls of the 68 Leopard 2A4s scheduled for conversion to Leopard 2A7V were already too worn and the conversion would have been too complex and cost-intensive, new hulls are being built for these vehicles. ... Due to the new P 25000 HD final drives with modified transmission ratio, the Leopard 2A7V is now again able to adequately perform the tactical „jump“ from cover. However, this advantage is bought by a reduced top speed, which is anyway rather a pure nominal value without any practical use. In addition, the vehicle receives a 570 Z end connector track adapted to the increased weight, new sprockets, reinforced torsion bars and four additional hydraulic bump stops. ... In addition to an Attica 3rd generation thermal sight and a new eye-safe laser rangefinder in the EMES 15A2 main sight, the gunner will have an additional display to the left of his control handles. This allows him to observe the EMES and PERI R17A3 fields of view more fatigue-free during longer operations due to the more ergonomic seating position. ... All 68 vehicles originally based on the Leopard 2A4 main battle tank will be equipped with the new L55A1 120 mm smoothbore gun, including new breechblocks, recoil brakes and recuperators, which permits significantly higher gas pressure." ____________________________ Leopard 2a6a3 will also receive the L55a1 gun source: infobriefheer_02_2021 page 15 Laviduce, Lord_James and Volke 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheffield Posted December 9, 2021 Report Share Posted December 9, 2021 Wow, a confirmation that D-technology is an internal armour package. Years of debates can finally be put to rest. Volke, Laviduce and Lord_James 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SH_MM Posted December 16, 2021 Report Share Posted December 16, 2021 With all the add-on armor Kodiak 3 becomes quite the chonky boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 7 hours ago, SH_MM said: With all the add-on armor Kodiak 3 becomes quite the chonky boy. Oh yes lots of NERA AoA and new Rheinmetall RWS on top. Still I can't get why Germany selected this on over Wisent since competitive test were quite bad but in the end it will be better than Leopard 1 AEV2 and they might improve performance during the project so let's wait how the result will be. Is there any info how close it will be to Leo 2A7? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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