Land 400 Phase 3: Australian IFV

[Voodoo]

2 hours ago, 2805662 said:

They’re civilians now - there’s almost 100 years of combined mechanised infantry or cavalry experience in that pic. Don’t know about the Korean chaos, though. 

 

Now that it’s public public domain, they’re sitting on the same seats I was sitting in 24 hours earlier. 

 

I'm just saying gear, weapons and all kinds of shit makes people bulky. It might be spacious either way though.

[Kal]

That roof looks lite. 

 

Is that roof hole large enough for an Australian 81mm mortar teams use?

[Serge]

 

3 hours ago, Kal said:

Is that roof hole large enough for an Australian 81mm mortar teams use?

No. 

It’s the ICV roof. 

[DIADES]

19 hours ago, Voodoo said:

Civilians..

and knees touching

[DIADES]

18 hours ago, 2805662 said:

same seats

8 seats?  did they not read the spec?

[2805662]

12 hours ago, Kal said:

That roof looks lite. 

 

Is that roof hole large enough for an Australian 81mm mortar teams use?

120mm turret mortar variant is being sought. 

[DIADES]

18 hours ago, 2805662 said:

public public domain, t

Bloody good to see.  Now we need Rheinmetall to break cover

[DIADES]

19 hours ago, 2805662 said:

public domain

Looks like the tweet has been deleted?   Yep, gone.  Not surprised, definitely in a grey area probity wise and CoA very, very sensitive

[DIADES]

1 hour ago, 2805662 said:

120mm turret mortar variant is being sought. 

Sort of.  Was only RFI not RFT for the extras including mortar - not funded as yet

[2805662]

I guess. Now that the PAV is dead, there ought to be funding for it. 

[David Moyes]

It is known that the British Army waved Australia away from down-selecting Ajax IFV for Land 400 Ph 3. "Don't do it" was the message.
 

 

[Kal]

Ajax with 2 crew and 4 dismounts would never have been seriously considered for the role anyway.  Australia wants family edition IFV.

 

It may be great vehicle, but it is not what Australia is looking for.   And does it have a rear ramp?

[DIADES]

6 minutes ago, Kal said:

Ajax

Real problem is age.  This is an old platform, new name.

[DIADES]

42 minutes ago, Kal said:

Ajax with 2 crew and 4 dismounts

Ajax IFV has 3 crew and six dismounts.  Other members of the Ajax family have the crew/dismount numbers you mention.

[Kal]

 

Fire extinguisher system for AS21.

do we have an equivalent for the lynx?

 

[Kal]

 

where weight matters....

[Kal]

Picture: Ammunition with ammunition belt for Bushmaster II cannon (top) and for Rheinmetall MK 30-2 cannon (bottom) | CZD archive

[Kal]

1) bridge picture, PNG

2) ammo picture, choice of guns will affect logistics, both are NATO but the linking is incompatible between Rheinmetall and Bushmaster (everyone else?)  Australia already locked into 30mm Rheinmetall

3) turret elevation, the steeper the better for UAV defense

[DIADES]

6 hours ago, Kal said:

UAV defense

ammunition natures and FCS critical for this

[Kal]

https://www.czdefence.com/article/new-ifvs-for-the-czech-army-parameters-of-vehicle-and-ammunition-are-important

 

cz, but relevant for au

out of reach for main guns, lance vs elbit

[Kal]

https://twitter.com/DTRmag/status/1146928739671928832/photo/1

https://twitter.com/skylancer7441/status/1146939928456105985/photo/2

 

note that the outer plate along the hull lower edga seems to be folded (not welded) to a chamfer made by twin 45degree bends,  presumably further shaping is also used with the suspension (its inevitable as in-arm suspension  must have its own shape and volume anyway)

 

which make it not obvious which has less blast shock transmitted to occupants,  lynx should be heavier and mass is important f=m.a,  but redback has some blast deflection which also affect f=m.a  in both cases acceleration (due to blast) is reduced.

[Kal]

Is there a lynx picture equivalent to this.

 

This is a good picture to show the V blast deflection at the wheels, (which is adjacent to the hull chamfer)

 

Question is, is it enough to compensate for redback's expected lower mass than lynx?

[Beer]

On 9/14/2020 at 2:15 PM, Kal said:

https://www.czdefence.com/article/new-ifvs-for-the-czech-army-parameters-of-vehicle-and-ammunition-are-important

 

cz, but relevant for au

out of reach for main guns, lance vs elbit

 

Yes, this is one of the GDELS favourite arguments in our IFV tender however they somehow forgot that the old BMP-2 to be replaced have 75° gun elevation and that therefore this argument sounds a bit funny. 

[Kal]

The old bmp-2 may have many shortcomings, but the relevance of gun elevation is only increasing.

 

Ukraine 

 

But, as diades points out, the ammo and the fcs are critical.

 

 

[Kal]

 

 

lynx kf41 also seems to have twin bends for a chamfer along lower hull