Alex C. Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Drives me nuts. You know exactly what is about to be said when Billy Joe Stump-Fuck sees an M1, twists his face up like a Greek rapist, and starts to try and learn you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tied Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 We've had that fight more than once on another board, and it's one of my favorite myths (and one of the most common ones when I give museum tours). It's just such an impressive gap in deduction on the part of the believer: "Clip goes ping. Ping means reload. Reload means open to attack. Can use ping to trick." It assumes so much on the part of the opposing soldier's lack of intelligence, or assumes that so many engagements were one-on-one close-range battles enough for these people to believe that it was a commonplace sight. I guess I should be thankful that some of these people break the mold of the "Aryan Superman Soldier" that they believe a German would genuinely be that dumb. "oh boy that guy is reloading for 5 seconds" *pops his head up, misses with his bolt, starts to recycle it and gets mowed down the American's squadmates* Belesarius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T___A Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Man, all dem boys wit dem Garand clips would always have an empty clip on them to trick all the Nazis/Tojos. -Every youtube comment if I mention the M1 Garand I hear our GIs had to pay a dollar to Pedersen each time they used the trick. That's how he became richer than the King of Denmark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Finally, Ian debunks some of the crap that people parrot about the Chauchat: https://www.full30.com/video/5933a44c278a66269fcdf19cde11261c The Chauchat is a stinker. Ian likes it because it's weird. It's just not the most horrible gun ever made. It's mediocre, with the saving grace of being early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxn Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 The Chauchat is a stinker. Ian likes it because it's weird. It's just not the most horrible gun ever made. It's mediocre, with the saving grace of being early. The whole 'ejection upon bolt return' thing looks like something designed during a delirious episode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collimatrix Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Chauchat was on the of the first designs to have a lot of the subcomponents farmed out to a horde of contractors, wasn't it?In that respect, it was ahead of the time.In a lot of AR-15s, especially over-gassed ones, ejection ends up happening during counter-recoil. It's not the greatest thing, but it's workable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxn Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 I'm referring here to the issue of having a hot piece of brass retained in the mechanism and pinging around for a bit before getting shoved out. Seems like a bad idea, just on general principles. And somewhat baffling given the option to just, you know, eject the damn thing on the reverse stroke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Meplat Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 The whole 'ejection upon bolt return' thing looks like something designed during a delirious episode. It's a Browning concept. It's basically "ejection during the dwell between barrel return to battery and the release of bolt". It is notable that he's more famous for his gas operation and short recoil systems, although his long recoil systems were used in scads of sporting arms. Chauchat was on the of the first designs to have a lot of the subcomponents farmed out to a horde of contractors, wasn't it? In that respect, it was ahead of the time. In a lot of AR-15s, especially over-gassed ones, ejection ends up happening during counter-recoil. It's not the greatest thing, but it's workable. WW1 as a whole saw an explosion in the concept of having companies that'd never seen a round of brass or a firearms component before, suddenly fabricate them. With often terrible results. The CSRG's (and the Ross rifle via ammunition issues) suffered from this idea as there were loads of companies that were suddenly tasked with producing a far more consistent product than they were accustomed to. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collimatrix Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 I take it all back; I had a brain fart. What you're seeing moving forward during ejection is not the bolt. It's the barrel. In a Browning long-recoil action, the bolt, bolt carrier and barrel are locked together and recoil after the shot is fired. The bolt and bolt carrier remain locked to the rear for a while and the barrel returns forward. So instead of the bolt moving rearward to extract the spent case out of the chamber, extraction occurs as the barrel is moving forward and the case, bolt and bolt carrier remain stationary. As soon as the barrel returns to the forward position, it trips a switch that releases the bolt and bolt carrier, and these return forward as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Another DShK "upgrade". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww8iuxCF9K4 Syrian Hezbollah training for "newbies". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Fight Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 It's a Browning concept. It's basically "ejection during the dwell between barrel return to battery and the release of bolt". It is notable that he's more famous for his gas operation and short recoil systems, although his long recoil systems were used in scads of sporting arms. Didn't the Auto-5 work like that? I seem to remember them having an odd-looking ejection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex C. Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 It's 1914 and things are getting gritty in Europe. Choose your piece (disregarding some of the anachronisms): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 For some terrible reason, almost all of them looks similar for me. I am too modern, i guess. Which one can mount my Aimpoint micro T1 and Klesh flashlight from Zenit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donward Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 .303 Enfield always puts a SMLE on my face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Nugget of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Fight Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Enfield for practical purposes, but that second-from-bottom Mosin has some really nice-looking wood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meplat Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Didn't the Auto-5 work like that? I seem to remember them having an odd-looking ejection. It did, as did the semi- related Model 8 and 81. It's 1914 and things are getting gritty in Europe. Choose your piece (disregarding some of the anachronisms): No MkII Ross? Well, I guess I'll have to settle for the SMLE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex C. Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Were there a lot of Ross rifles in Europe in 1914? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Fight Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Were there a lot of Ross rifles in Europe in 1914? I don't think they got to Europe until early 1915. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted September 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 For some terrible reason, almost all of them looks similar for me. I am too modern, i guess. Which one can mount my Aimpoint micro T1 and Klesh flashlight from Zenit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meplat Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Were there a lot of Ross rifles in Europe in 1914? I don't think they got to Europe until early 1915. Nonetheless they were still part of the commonwealth, and "declared war" sometime in August of '14. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priory_of_Sion Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 I choose the bayonet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted September 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Also, why can't I have this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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