United States Military Vehicle General: Guns, G*vins, and Gas Turbines

[FORMATOSE]

I'm looking forward to have more information on its autoloader, something like the Western Design's 44-round basket carousel or the Meggitt's 34-round bustle conveyor ?

[Ramlaen]

https://www.defensedaily.com/diu-taps-gm-defense-to-develop-battery-back-prototype-for-tactical-vehicles/advanced-transformational-technology/

[Ramlaen]

 

[Ramlaen]

Some pictures from the Maneuver Warfighter Conference last month that caught my eye.

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[Ramlaen]

 

The original of this is over 30 megabytes, here along with more hi res SEPv3 pics.

https://fortbenning.smugmug.com/Armor-School/316th-Cavalry-Brigade/316th-Cavalry-Brigade/2022-09-28-316th-Cavalry-Brigade-Master-Gunner-Course

[Cleb]

 

[StarshipDirect]

1 hour ago, Cleb said:

 

Great looking tank. Looks like it’s missing a few of its gadgets from the digital concept. We’ll see what they have to display at AUSA. 

[Ramlaen]

 

 

[Ramlaen]

2 hours ago, Cleb said:

 

 

These are the money shot for me.

[StarshipDirect]

8 hours ago, Ramlaen said:

 

These are the money shot for me.

Javelin could still turn it inside out but at least the crew won’t be inside. 

[alanch90]

2 minutes ago, StarshipDirect said:

Javelin could still turn it inside out but at least the crew won’t be inside. 

Still has APS and that will take care of the missile.

[Atokara]

3 hours ago, StarshipDirect said:

Javelin could still turn it inside out but at least the crew won’t be inside. 

The difference being that Russia is incapable of making a Javelin equivalent and the Chinese equivalent is of questionable quantity and quality. There is also the chance that the RWS can act as a point defense system as top attack missiles are typically slower than most other ATGMs with a much longer flight time.

[LoooSeR]

39 minutes ago, Atokara said:

The difference being that Russia is incapable of making a Javelin equivalent

Umm.. LMUR? Tulyak? Whats that?

[Lord_James]

6 hours ago, Atokara said:

top attack missiles are typically slower than most other ATGMs with a much longer flight time.

I think the flight time difference comes from the missile having to fly high above the target to get the “top attack” portion of its name, and the actual decent phase of the missile is quite fast being gravity assisted and all. 

[Ramlaen]

 

[StarshipDirect]

7 hours ago, Atokara said:

The difference being that Russia is incapable of making a Javelin equivalent and the Chinese equivalent is of questionable quantity and quality. There is also the chance that the RWS can act as a point defense system as top attack missiles are typically slower than most other ATGMs with a much longer flight time.

Most countries don’t have a Javelin equivalent and it’s not because they can’t make one. To make a Javelin style missile it will cost you more than other ATGMs. Javelin is also shorter ranged than most other ATGMs. Russia has plenty of good ATGMS.
 

[MRose]

2 hours ago, StarshipDirect said:

Most countries don’t have a Javelin equivalent and it’s not because they can’t make one. To make a Javelin style missile it will cost you more than other ATGMs. Javelin is also shorter ranged than most other ATGMs. Russia has plenty of good ATGMS.

That's by design. It's manportable and the US really hasn't had a need to invest in longer range ATGMs something along the lines of the Spike until recently.

[Ramlaen]

2 hours ago, StarshipDirect said:

Most countries don’t have a Javelin equivalent and it’s not because they can’t make one. To make a Javelin style missile it will cost you more than other ATGMs. Javelin is also shorter ranged than most other ATGMs. Russia has plenty of good ATGMS.
 

 

Javelin is shorter ranged when using the old CLU because it had a limit on being able to acquire targets, the new CLU or an RWS mount removes the limitation.

[Atokara]

12 hours ago, LoooSeR said:

LMUR?

Barely produced in any meaningful numbers. Not man portable or even crew serviceable. Not a Javelin equivalent in any form. Also the idea that Russia would be capable of conducting helicopter operations in a conflict with the US is a hilarious notion in and of itself.

12 hours ago, LoooSeR said:

Tulyak?

A kornet with a new body kit. Still not man portable and I don't think with the new guidance system it will be crew serviceable. We haven't even seen the thing fired before. All we have to go on is the company claiming it's top attack, but these company claims have been proven to be marketing speak with no actual weight behind them.

Here is the Kornet's "claimed simultaneous guidence" missing with the first missile and hitting the barrel with a second missile.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/wre8lc/boomerang_k17_88_ifv_prototype_firing_a_30_mm/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

 

 

6 hours ago, Lord_James said:

I think the flight time difference comes from the missile having to fly high above the target to get the “top attack” portion of its name, and the actual decent phase of the missile is quite fast being gravity assisted and all. 

Most of the flight path of these missiles is spent during its flight stage at high altitude on a simple sustainer booster which gives ample time for intercept.

4 hours ago, StarshipDirect said:

Most countries don’t have a Javelin equivalent and it’s not because they can’t make one. To make a Javelin style missile it will cost you more than other ATGMs.

If you consider that the majority of targets a Javelin would be used against are a higher price tag than the missile, then its a worthy investment. The war in Ukraine has shown the value of how weakly armored the tops of tanks are when drones are dropping mortar shells and mission killing vehicles. Russia has shown an incapability to make a Javelin equivalent because there is certainly a desire as LooSeR pointed out, but they are incapable of miniaturizing such a system for man portability.

4 hours ago, StarshipDirect said:

Russia has plenty of good ATGMS.

Lol no they don't. That boomerang firing 2 beam riding missiles at the same target and missing one of them is the current pinnacle of Russian ATGM mass production. Now here is a half decade older system that can fire up to 6 F&F missiles simultaneously all at different targets and actually hit each one Russian ATGMs are decades behind.

 

[Lord_James]

54 minutes ago, Atokara said:

 

Most of the flight path of these missiles is spent during its flight stage at high altitude on a simple sustainer booster which gives ample time for intercept.

 

What’s going to intercept them at high altitude? APS range is like 8 meters at most, and if you think you’re going to reliably take down an ATGM with machine guns at range, you’re huffing paint. 
 

Edit: the only thing that’s gonna get a top attack ATGM at a distance is maybe a strong laser, but I’m not read up on new military lasers so I’ll wait for someone else to comment. 

[Atokara]

9 minutes ago, Lord_James said:

What’s going to intercept them at high altitude? APS range is like 8 meters at most, and if you think you’re going to reliably take down an ATGM with machine guns at range, you’re huffing paint. 

I already said in my original post:

13 hours ago, Atokara said:

There is also the chance that the RWS can act as a point defense system as top attack missiles

The Javelin has a ceiling of 150m and Northrop Grumman stated the M320LF has a 2km lethality range against class 2 UAS systems with it's proximity fuse.

[Renegade334]

 

AUSA opening ceremony is in six hours from now, but there's already a few fleeting glimpses of what's there:

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[LoooSeR]

12 hours ago, Atokara said:

Barely produced in any meaningful numbers.

Production numbers are unknown to you or me, but periodical surfacing of videos from LMUR cameras says they are used plenty.

 

12 hours ago, Atokara said:

Not man portable or even crew serviceable.

Ground launchers for LMUR exist (although only as a test bed). If MoD wasn't retarded we already would had ground launched version. Original contractor for LMUR wanted it only on helicopters because FSB don't have ground AFV for that role.

 

12 hours ago, Atokara said:

Not a Javelin equivalent in any form.

More like Spike NLOS equivalent. Doesn't mean such type of weapon should be ignored when designing new AFVs. God damn North Koreans have ~equivalent of Spike NLOS

 

12 hours ago, Atokara said:

Also the idea that Russia would be capable of conducting helicopter operations in a conflict with the US is a hilarious notion in and of itself.

Delusion is to belief that we will have direct full on non-nuclear war with US and all Russian forces would vanish in minutes.

 

12 hours ago, Atokara said:

A kornet with a new body kit. Still not man portable and I don't think with the new guidance system it will be crew serviceable.

It is infantry carried 3 gen F&F missile. Sounds like Jav equivalent for me. Vehicle carried NLOS is going under Baykal R&D. Also, SALH Kornet is just a Kornet with a body kit, still works as SALH and was used in this war from Orions UAVs.

 

12 hours ago, Atokara said:

 

We haven't even seen the thing fired before. All we have to go on is the company claiming it's top attack, but these company claims have been proven to be marketing speak with no actual weight behind them.

Tulyak R&D is MoD program with specific requirements, company is contractor for it. Some of requirements are floating on the net from one of MoD non-public presentations. 

 

12 hours ago, Atokara said:

 

Lol no they don't. That boomerang firing 2 beam riding missiles at the same target and missing one of them is the current pinnacle of Russian ATGM mass production. 

2 missiles, 2 hits, for example.

 

 

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[Renegade334]