LoooSeR Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 Below the turret ring post on FUCKING NERA EVERYWHERE Early M1 Abrams composite armor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vollketten Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 Below the turret ring post on FUCKING NERA EVERYWHERE Early M1 Abrams composite armor post #1 here Good to see my find is doing the rounds already. I knew I should have added tags to those. They could at least have read the tank net post for the source Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collimatrix Posted January 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 Hiya Vollketten! Here is the post on TN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vollketten Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 This was the source Had they bothered to ask I'd have given it to them Xlucine and Ramlaen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 That was a great find Vollketten, even if it is obsolete armor I am surprised that it is publicly available so 'soon'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 post #1 here Good to see my find is doing the rounds already. I knew I should have added tags to those. They could at least have read the tank net post for the source This was the source Had they bothered to ask I'd have given it to them Yes, because clearly "finding" something the CIA scanned and put up for public viewing makes it yours and you were the only person to have ever seen a document put up for public view. They have a word for people who try to hide the real credit for something and then slap their "tags"/watermarks to them, they call them plagiarists, though I suppose that hasn't stopped you in the past. The fact you yourself complain about being plagiarized on plagiarized works though and that you "should've tagged them" is just disgusting. EnsignExpendable, Donward and Jeeps_Guns_Tanks 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vollketten Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 I don't usually reply or post here but your ridiculous reply requires at least a short comment. I'm not going to get drawn into a squabble with you as I only come to SH mainly to keep up with Collimatrix's transmission or the M4 stuff. You use "" as if finding something was minor, it isn't and it wasn't and if it was so easy to find or out there then everyone would already have had it and not just repasted the cropped screenshots I'd taken. There was no point in adding tags as the info was easy enough to find but the purpose IS NOT to claim ownership but simply to ensure credit. It wasn't given as it was due which was the cause of my little irritation. It's redundant now anyway as I posted the source and enough people have now also gone to the CIA declassified docs to find it and other wonderful silliness like Tigers in Syria. It is common practice to add a tag to an image and that is not the same as adding a 'copyright' etc. which is a claim of ownership. I'm sorry you don't get that and felt the need to be so silly. That's it from me on the subject though I'm sure I can expect another tirade of abuse but I'd point out that as 'forum nobility' you may be seen as holding a position of power or reputation on this forum and thereby reflecting some of the values and openness of this place. As such a reply like your other one will do nothing to dispel the view of some of SH as being a hugbox or being of approachable. If you want people to bring information here you should moderate your attitude or just continue to act as a bully in a position of repute and be seen for what you are. Anyway, I'm glad those were of interest to people although frankly I'm a little surprised they were declassified. Its not that the rough concept had not already been well considered or that enough photos of Abrams from Iraq with damage had not yielded information but there's a difference between an official document details a rough layout (albeit not composition) and information gleamed from photos here and there. I'll continue to follow SH but I will go back to being a passive viewer of content and not an active poster thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 I don't usually reply or post here but your ridiculous reply requires at least a short comment. I'm not going to get drawn into a squabble with you as I only come to SH mainly to keep up with Collimatrix's transmission or the M4 stuff. You use "" as if finding something was minor, it isn't and it wasn't and if it was so easy to find or out there then everyone would already have had it and not just repasted the cropped screenshots I'd taken. There was no point in adding tags as the info was easy enough to find but the purpose IS NOT to claim ownership but simply to ensure credit. It wasn't given as it was due which was the cause of my little irritation. It's redundant now anyway as I posted the source and enough people have now also gone to the CIA declassified docs to find it and other wonderful silliness like Tigers in Syria. Yes, because it's clearly so hard to find being publicly released by the CIA and all fairly recently, ONLY you have seen this or could've ever thought to screencap it and everyone else who uses is just ripping off "your" find. If you think you have any right to be irritated over this, please wake the hell up, because there's only one person here being ridiculous. It is common practice to add a tag to an image and that is not the same as adding a 'copyright' etc. which is a claim of ownership. I'm sorry you don't get that and felt the need to be so silly. That's it from me on the subject though I'm sure I can expect another tirade of abuse but I'd point out that as 'forum nobility' you may be seen as holding a position of power or reputation on this forum and thereby reflecting some of the values and openness of this place. As such a reply like your other one will do nothing to dispel the view of some of SH as being a hugbox or being of approachable. If you want people to bring information here you should moderate your attitude or just continue to act as a bully in a position of repute and be seen for what you are. Yeah, It's common practice assuming you're the one who actually took the image or at least scanned it, you simply went to the CIA's sight, screencapped some public documents and wanted to tag them, and then wonder why people accuse you of plagiarism when you complain people are using "your" findings. (Though, I'm sure you'd have no trouble claiming it was from some super secret source only you have access to for....reasons or given to you by all knowing moon people as you've done in the past.) Also, I'm afraid I have yet more bad news if you think a forum nobility tag obligates me to moderate my behavior on this website, if anything, shit like this is one of the big reasons SH exists in the first place, no one can abuse connections with moderators when being called out like this. Sorry that me calling out the fact you do this all the time and then cry about when you do get called out makes us a "hugbox", The only retards who seem to hold that opinion are the ones this site was made to get away from in the first place, and also the types who lack the self awareness to realize they themselves never leave their own echo chamber and clearly everyone else who leaves them must be the ones making a hugbox. If you want to be taken seriously, post actual content, many of the users here never touched the WoT forums before coming here and yet are about 1000 times better then any of the posters left there as far as information goes, mostly because they actually show effort and don't pull stunts like this. Anyway, I'm glad those were of interest to people although frankly I'm a little surprised they were declassified. Its not that the rough concept had not already been well considered or that enough photos of Abrams from Iraq with damage had not yielded information but there's a difference between an official document details a rough layout (albeit not composition) and information gleamed from photos here and there. I'll continue to follow SH but I will go back to being a passive viewer of content and not an active poster thank you. Ok bye. Sturgeon and Donward 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 Gonna have to burst your bubble, buddy, but you don't deserve credit for hyperlinking shit or uploading images to imgur or wherever. In fact, on this forum, sourcing is considered a duty, something people should be doing all the time without expecting anything in return. At SH, we don't play at this deviantART "ORIGINAL CONTENT DO NOT STEAL" egostroking bullshit. When providing a document you are, at best, a courier for information, and nobody here cares how special you think you should be made to feel for that. Anyone can go on DTIC or wherever and take screenshots of a scanned doc, upload them to imgur, and post them up here. That takes almost zero effort, and you deserve about as much credit for it as anyone does for saying "please" and "thank you". In other words, expecting us to respect your watermarks is about as mature as a twelve year old kid still expecting to hear praise for being polite. I don't hate your guts or nothing, some of the other guys do but I hardly know who you are. I just think your behavior surrounding the "credit" you think you deserve is unbecoming of an adult. Get over yourself. If you want real credit, do something that deserves it. Translate something, write up an analysis, dive into a physical archive yourself, whatever. Do some real work. Jeeps_Guns_Tanks, Zyklon and EnsignExpendable 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnsignExpendable Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 Hey guys, check out this cool document I found (don't repost without permission) That_Baka, Sturgeon, Zyklon and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 Hey guys, check out this cool document I found (don't repost without permission) Holy fucking lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vollketten Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 Then for what it's worth I apologise. Donward 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturgeon Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 Then for what it's worth I apologise. No prob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostCosmonaut Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 However, if you do manage to find a picture of the E-5, then go ahead an post "original tank do not steal". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronezhilet Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Translate something, write up an analysis, dive into a physical archive yourself, whatever. Do some real work. Shit, some of us don't even watermark that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxn Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Just to hammer the nail in; this is one of those behaviours that gets exponentially worse if other people start doing it too. IE: this is a new document documenting Ensign's document. Original content, do not repost without permission. EnsignExpendable and That_Baka 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronezhilet Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Look what I found today, check this out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronezhilet Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 That's it from me on the subject though I'm sure I can expect another tirade of abuse but I'd point out that as 'forum nobility' you may be seen as holding a position of power or reputation on this forum and thereby reflecting some of the values and openness of this place. As such a reply like your other one will do nothing to dispel the view of some of SH as being a hugbox or being of approachable. If you want people to bring information here you should moderate your attitude or just continue to act as a bully in a position of repute and be seen for what you are. I'd like to point you to one of SH's 'posting guidelines': 2. No one on this forum is an "untouchable"; not even I am, though as a general rule it's stupid to piss off an admin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevich Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 i find it hard to believe that such a thing would actually be declassified Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanagandr Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 LoooSeR and Khand-e 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khand-e Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 i find it hard to believe that such a thing would actually be declassified Why would they be so hesistant? aside from the fact not all of the documents are actually written by the CIA but were simply deemed safe to declassify by them, these aren't even close to the latest models of Abrams, the timeline would put them at the very first models in the early 80s back when the cold ward was still a thing, chances are alot has changed since them. And besides, much has been revealed unwittingly regarding the armor layout of many sections of the current models of Abrams by simply looking at battle damaged photos of them in Iraq. sevich 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxn Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 I thought the Cold Ward happens once a year when Don goes on his fishing trip? EnsignExpendable and Donward 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collimatrix Posted January 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 i find it hard to believe that such a thing would actually be declassified Welcome to SH sevich! If you look through this thread, you'll see that basically anyone building a tank these days is using some sort of NERA. It's not really the world's biggest secret anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoooSeR Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Otvaga members are surprised that hull frontal armor on early Abrams was pretty crappy, judging by schematics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collimatrix Posted January 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 What part are they surprised by, the lower plate, or the glacis plate that doesn't have any composite armor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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