DIADES Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 10 hours ago, David Moyes said: reliability probably shoulda stuck a smiley face on my comment, own my share of British cars (Lucas, Prince of Darkness) - was just playing to stereotypes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FORMATOSE Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 11 hours ago, David Moyes said: Challenger 2 had a similar availability during the Iraq invasion and only downtime was due to a massive sandstorm. This could have been worse without the lessons learned from Saif Sareea 2 exercise. Ramlaen and Serge 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Moyes Posted February 5, 2021 Report Share Posted February 5, 2021 13 hours ago, Sovngard said: This could have been worse without the lessons learned from Saif Sareea 2 exercise. Indeed. Although the lesson should've been learnt when CR1s had the same issues whilst mustering in Saudi Arabia. Vickers had to rush a team out to desertify them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FORMATOSE Posted February 5, 2021 Report Share Posted February 5, 2021 12 hours ago, David Moyes said: Indeed. Although the lesson should've been learnt when CR1s had the same issues whilst mustering in Saudi Arabia. Vickers had to rush a team out to desertify them. It's ironic knowing that the Challenger 1 was derived from a tank designed for operating in the desert. Scolopax 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Moyes Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 Beer, Scolopax and Clan_Ghost_Bear 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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David Moyes Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 Telford Armour Quote In brief, @RH_BAES_Land has developed Telford Enhanced Spaced Armour (TESA), a perforated armour offering protection up to STANAG 5 at 50% of the weight of equivalent RHA. It utilises a unique geometry to increase effects on projectiles. Quote The second is Telford Enhanced Ceramic Armour, which is slightly behind the development of TESA but utilises sealed ceramic armour packs to offer protection at STANAG 6+. Might be related to the Porton Down armour mentioned in "CR3" upgrade. Alzoc, Serge and Lord_James 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylancer-3441 Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 that M1 Abrams for GB ad was published in Defence magazine 1990-12 https://cloud.mail.ru/public/9dEX/djuwzbp4V/Defence/1990-12/ David Moyes, Clan_Ghost_Bear and Ramlaen 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SH_MM Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 T80U :DDDDDDDDDDD and Laviduce 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaronTibere Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 He was spurred on this because the tank museum mislabeled the FMBTA1 as the FV4211 again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaronTibere Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 Laviduce and Clan_Ghost_Bear 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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2805662 Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 Link to some reference pictures of the Warrior Capability Sustainment Program: https://www.scorpion-miniature-models.co.uk/warrior-2 David Moyes, Clan_Ghost_Bear, Laviduce and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaronTibere Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/03/12/80bn-equipment-revealed-defence-review-tanks-jets-drones-hovering/ Looks like the defense review will be out on tuesday and the theme will be RIP warrior and "Boxers for everyone". Edit: annnnnddd no details, there is a more specific defense report coming on monday that might have them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2805662 Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 Apparently the Challenger 2 LEP contract has been signed. Beer, Clan_Ghost_Bear, Ramlaen and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N-L-M Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 About bloody time too, as the saying goes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Moyes Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 Quote Rheinmetall confirmed Challenger 2 LEP awarded, official details TBC but 148 tanks looks good Headline change is swap from L30A1 rifled gun to Rheinmetall L55A1 smoothbore US has also provisionally confirmed M829A4 depleted uranium (DU) penetrator APFSDS round could be qualified rapidly for use from IOC. Rounds stored in now industry-standard isolated bustle compartment with blow-out panels in event of penetration. Compartment holds 15 rds with a further 16 in hull storage, for total of 31. Compares with 49 in the CR2 LEP will use the same sights as AJAX, the Thales ORION and DNGS T3 (comamder/gunner) Upgrade introduces new modular armour (nMA) package that raises baseline protection. Damaged modules can be replaced and can more easily accept future upgrades. It will include new appliqué hull side and belly armour package for enhancing protection against mines, IEDs, and other underbody blast threats. The existing packs are relatively heavy, and dstl is working to develop lighter solutions for LEP as an optional additional module. APS is required to meet survivability targets I hear Trophy has been selected and 60 sets will be bought Army is approaching mobility enhancement of Challenger 2 as a whole fleet concept, including CR2 driver training tank, TITAN AVBL and TROJAN AEV. HAAIP will see a common engine and suspension standard applied to all CR2 variants, comprising an engine rebuild to the CV12-8a standard, new third-generation hydrogas (3GH) suspension, a new hydraulic track tensioner, an electric cold start system, and an improved cooling system Once upgraded and fitted with nMA and APS, CR2 will be MLC100 class ALTERNATIVES: The army considered alternatives that could provide a comparable capability but at a more compelling price. Those included leasing, buying second hand, or locally manufacturing the Leopard 2A7V and M1A2 SEPv2, as well as potential new vehicle offerings......including baseline Korean K2 and the larger K2PL specification designed for Poland. However, in all instances these alternatives were assessed to be unaffordable or politically incompatible compared with the preferred option of the RBSL proposal and the LEP+ requirements set Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 Does the LEP contain the new turret? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanch90 Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 MLC100?! They turned an MBT into a Maus 2.0! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krieger22 Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Beer said: Does the LEP contain the new turret? Yes, that's how the new bustle is implemented. Beer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atokara Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 6 hours ago, David Moyes said: CR2 will be MLC100 class At what point do you give up on an existing platform and start over from scratch? If there has been anything I've learned from tanks, the key to weight savings isn't armor, it isn't the size of the gun, it isn't the size of the engine. It's the frame it's built on, and that's the single thing you can't change with these upgrade programs. The best weight tables available online are for the Type 10 and CR1, so my comparisons will be for the two of them. To put it into perspective, the Type 10's structural hull is 7 tons lighter than the CR1 and the turret is 3.8 tons lighter. I feel like with such a small upgrade fleet and a price per unit larger than the original cost per tank, they could cut back on a few units and put that towards R&D costs. With an MLC100 class, the hit to any strategic mobility raises the question of how they can possibly get their money's worth out of this program. With this new info it really just seems like they spend over a billion USD to have their tanks sit in home country with 0 risk of a land invasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramlaen Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 MLC100 is around 83 short tons, that isn't any heavier than numbers I have heard for fully dolled up Challenger 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sekwah Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 Weight wise you're looking at just shy of 76t in LEP form, with potential to rise to 78t with the 'full' armour packages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaronTibere Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/british-army-tank-numbers-drop-to-148-from-227/ https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/warrior-upgrade-scrapped-but-remaining-in-service/ The full white paper: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/defence-in-a-competitive-age/defence-in-a-competitive-age-accessible-version Clan_Ghost_Bear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2805662 Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 Don’t call it a white paper! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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