COMPETITION Steel Chariot of The Prairie: The Lone Free State's First Battle Tank (2247)

[Sturgeon]

22 minutes ago, delete013 said:

You really ought to read something on German history.

 

German history? Including the history of a designation system used exclusively from 1933-1945? What period of "german history" is that, pray tell?

 

[Bronezhilet]

10 hours ago, Beer said:

 

While I'd choose different name for marketing something in Texas I'd also choose not to be oversensitive about this particular thing because there is nothing Nazi about it. It's pure technical acronym which the Germans simply love by nature. 

 

VK = Versuchskampfwagen = research combat vehicle, the first number stands for the weight and the number behind the decimal point stands for the particular variant

Spielberger doesn't use the decimal point, so not only does he use a Nazi naming system, he uses the wrong version of it.

[Toxn]

8 hours ago, delete013 said:

 

You really ought to read something on German history. The designations and the technology only comes from the Nazi party for ideological crusaders. As is with all military things in today's Germany, it is Wehrmacht's legacy, as the latest precursor in the long history of the German/Prussian army. Even if institutions were abolished and the politics tries hard to appear to have broken with the past, many of those people involved in ww2 were very much present during the design of vehicles up until Leopard 2, if still alive, and all had very little to do with politics or ideology. You can't push everything from 1933 to 1945 in the Nazi corner.

So firstly, yikes (context to follow).

 

Secondly, in case you're confused about the rather critical eye we're casting on your no-doubt sincere bit of worldbuilding: we're an old forum by internet standards, tracing our way back, if not to the Sumerian era of usenet groups or the Assyrian era of blogs-turned-forums, then to the classical era of the 2010s. So we've seen some cycles recur. And one of those cycles, analogous to the friendly Nazi problem that bars deal with (only more cringey and sad than disgusting), is the friendly wehraboo problem.

 

You see, they always start friendly - just asking questions, just wanting to air their legitimate love of technology and design independent of the political nastiness that surrounded it. And it always ends in a welter of "which German tank ace would look the hottest as an anime princess" posts. So when some unfortunate soul comes in just asking questions and wanting to air their legitimate love of technology etc etc, we tend to stare hard and long at the underlying dynamics of the situation.

 

Because nobody wants to have to clean up the shit that wehraboos excrete once they congregate in any numbers.

 

 

[Toxn]

So my suggestion, take it or leave it, is that if you're going to put wehraboo-adjacent stuff up at all, to make sure that people know it's a JOKE. You don't have to be subtle (we're not that cultured, after all) - say that the guy running the country is a full-on unreconstructed Nazi who got everything he knows about armoured warfare from a moth-eaten copy of Death Traps and a box of faded print-outs from the forums of literally any game dealing with WW2 combat. So he's forcing the engineers to use this cockamamie nomenclature and keeps asking them to put in amazing future-tech ideas like axial-flow turbojets with shite burner can designs, contrarotating rotor/stator assemblies and turbine blades made from low-alloy steel. And they're picking the best bits that they can out of the mess and running with that instead to produce a half-way functional design.

[delete013]

6 hours ago, Toxn said:

So firstly, yikes (context to follow).

 

Secondly, in case you're confused about the rather critical eye we're casting on your no-doubt sincere bit of worldbuilding: we're an old forum by internet standards, tracing our way back, if not to the Sumerian era of usenet groups or the Assyrian era of blogs-turned-forums, then to the classical era of the 2010s. So we've seen some cycles recur. And one of those cycles, analogous to the friendly Nazi problem that bars deal with (only more cringey and sad than disgusting), is the friendly wehraboo problem.

That is no problem. I accept that the technical talk cannot be separated from the political context, in this case. I think I've been plenty accommodating and reiterated numerous times that I have no sympathies for the Nazis, their ideology or crimes. But you can't sell me arguments against axial-flow jet engines or Death traps under disguise of anti-nazism.

 

6 hours ago, Toxn said:

You see, they always start friendly - just asking questions, just wanting to air their legitimate love of technology and design independent of the political nastiness that surrounded it. And it always ends in a welter of "which German tank ace would look the hottest as an anime princess" posts. So when some unfortunate soul comes in just asking questions and wanting to air their legitimate love of technology etc etc, we tend to stare hard and long at the underlying dynamics of the situation.

 

Because nobody wants to have to clean up the shit that wehraboos excrete once they congregate in any numbers.

Sure they exist, you are right to be vigilant. But you lot also got very comfortable in abusing anti-racism to push your national bias around. Perhaps you haven't noticed, your overblown claims are the primary ammunition of neo-nazis. Stick to the objectivity and there is no space for politics or racial theories.

 

[delete013]

The overlapping road wheels and nomenclature are there obviously AS A JOKE. Since you already tossed me into the nazi corner, I might as well make fun of it.

[Toxn]

10 minutes ago, delete013 said:

That is no problem. I accept that the technical talk cannot be separated from the political context, in this case. I think I've been plenty accommodating and reiterated numerous times that I have no sympathies for the Nazis, their ideology or crimes. But you can't sell me arguments against axial-flow jet engines or Death traps under disguise of anti-nazism.

Ah, but that's exactly what our erstwhile friendly wehraboo would say  

 

And then, before you know it, it's off to "German tanks as big tiddy anime girls" and all the 101 other things that make us collectively want to restart civilization with hot neutrons.

 

10 minutes ago, delete013 said:

Sure they exist, you are right to be vigilant. But you lot also got very comfortable in abusing anti-racism to push your national bias around. Perhaps you haven't noticed, your overblown claims are the primary ammunition of neo-nazis. Stick to the objectivity and there is no space for politics or racial theories.

 

Sorry mate, I'm South African. Anti-racism IS my national bias.

[Sturgeon]

36 minutes ago, delete013 said:

That is no problem. I accept that the technical talk cannot be separated from the political context, in this case. I think I've been plenty accommodating and reiterated numerous times that I have no sympathies for the Nazis, their ideology or crimes. But you can't sell me arguments against axial-flow jet engines or Death traps under disguise of anti-nazism.

 

Sure they exist, you are right to be vigilant. But you lot also got very comfortable in abusing anti-racism to push your national bias around. Perhaps you haven't noticed, your overblown claims are the primary ammunition of neo-nazis. Stick to the objectivity and there is no space for politics or racial theories.

 

 

I find all of this very amusing since I didn't mention anything about the Nazis from whom that designation system comes, just that the chronology and geography didn't make sense.

[Sturgeon]

32 minutes ago, delete013 said:

The overlapping road wheels and nomenclature are there obviously AS A JOKE. Since you already tossed me into the nazi corner, I might as well make fun of it.

 

I did laugh mightily at the interleaved road wheels.

[delete013]

26 minutes ago, Toxn said:

Ah, but that's exactly what our erstwhile friendly wehraboo would say  

 

And then, before you know it, it's off to "German tanks as big tiddy anime girls" and all the 101 other things that make us collectively want to restart civilization with hot neutrons.

I see you had a bad break up with an anime girl, hoho. I never gave much thought to Nazi ideology before I got invested in the online forums. Europe is very calm with it being swept on the wasteland of history.

 

26 minutes ago, Toxn said:

Sorry mate, I'm South African. Anti-racism IS my national bias.

Well, you ought to understand it. Not every white settler was a racist during the Apartheid.

[Toxn]

31 minutes ago, delete013 said:

I see you had a bad break up with an anime girl, hoho. I never gave much thought to Nazi ideology before I got invested in the online forums. Europe is very calm with it being swept on the wasteland of history.

Europe is sleeping in the shadows of a recent past it pretends it has escaped. All that old evil it spent a century bleeding itself and the greater world dry over was not exorcized by a generation of consumerist socialism. It'll be back a second time - as farce rather than tragedy, of course.

 

31 minutes ago, delete013 said:

Well, you ought to understand it. Not every white settler was a racist during the Apartheid.

I think you know fokkol and should stop before you embarrass yourself.

[Lord_James]

35 minutes ago, delete013 said:

I see you had a bad break up with an anime girl, hoho. I never gave much thought to Nazi ideology before I got invested in the online forums. Europe is very calm with it being swept on the wasteland of history.

 

Well, you ought to understand it. Not every white settler was a racist during the Apartheid.

I'm not sure where the "racism" came from, unless Nazi's are a race? Highly doubt it, but if you think any of us are being racist towards Germans, we're not. 

 

 

Anyway, I added pictures and some more data on the Brahman. She's overweight and underpowered, but the armor is amazing. Dont know how much I can get done: never got this far so I dont know what I'm doing and I am disorganized. 

[Sturgeon]

20 minutes ago, Lord_James said:

 Dont know how much I can get done: never got this far so I dont know what I'm doing and I am disorganized. 

 

That's a good thing. Just put in a good effort to get something together that the judges can sink their teeth into, is my advice.

[delete013]

3 hours ago, Lord_James said:

Anyway, I added pictures and some more data on the Brahman. She's overweight and underpowered, but the armor is amazing. Dont know how much I can get done: never got this far so I dont know what I'm doing and I am disorganized. 

She is a handful!

 

With my limited experience, I would check if you accounted for all the components. You can also reduce time by avoiding designing the special armour.

[N-L-M]

If you can sensibly arrange your arrays to make sense without detailing them.

I strongly suggest at least sketching out the section of how you want your arrays to look to make sure you have enough space and weight.

[delete013]

9 hours ago, N-L-M said:

If you can sensibly arrange your arrays to make sense without detailing them.

I strongly suggest at least sketching out the section of how you want your arrays to look to make sure you have enough space and weight.

I specified the armour thickness and composition, then calculated the angled plate surface with trigonometry. Would that suffice for the commission?

[N-L-M]

A detailed section sketch including layer types (light ERA, heavy NERA, or what have you) and angles for each array type (hull front, turret side, skirts...) is requested if you do not have them fully modelled.

[delete013]

8 hours ago, N-L-M said:

A detailed section sketch including layer types (light ERA, heavy NERA, or what have you) and angles for each array type (hull front, turret side, skirts...) is requested if you do not have them fully modelled.

Ok, I have it all in Appendix 2.

[N-L-M]

9 hours ago, delete013 said:

Ok, I have it all in Appendix 2.

You have text which is unclear. Dimensioned sketches of the arrays are requested, along with an explanation of how the "citadel" portion interacts with the rest of the armor.

Important information for the sketches:

Layer types, angles, air gaps, overall package dimensions.

 

Without this, the judges cannot verify that your armor packages meet the requirements or the stated weight.

[delete013]

2 hours ago, N-L-M said:

You have text which is unclear. Dimensioned sketches of the arrays are requested, along with an explanation of how the "citadel" portion interacts with the rest of the armor.

Important information for the sketches:

Layer types, angles, air gaps, overall package dimensions.

 

Without this, the judges cannot verify that your armor packages meet the requirements or the stated weight.

Good, I'll elaborate more.

[Sturgeon]

@A. T. Mahan @Dominus Dolorem @Lord_James @delete013, the new deadline is Saturday the 24th of July. The judges agree that the time has come, so consider it firm.

[Sturgeon]

Also @Toxn, @Sten, @N-L-M, @Xoon, and @Curly_

[Dominus Dolorem]

The latest version of the Monolith

 

 

The design team has been forced to make some unusual decisions due to the board's insistence that the tank be designed around the 71 line 6 3/4 pooder "tank gun" in order for it to be able to engage enemy shipping.

 

As a result of this in addition to the hp/ton ratio requirement we now have a 16 1/2 foot monstrosity.
 

[Dominus Dolorem]

 Above is the Monolith with its close range anti infantry defences.

[delete013]

3 hours ago, Dominus Dolorem said:

The latest version of the Monolith

 

 

The design team has been forced to make some unusual decisions due to the board's insistence that the tank be designed around the 71 line 6 3/4 pooder "tank gun" in order for it to be able to engage enemy shipping.

 

As a result of this in addition to the hp/ton ratio requirement we now have a 16 1/2 foot monstrosity.
 

I suppose a battleship contest won't be needed anymore.