Israeli AFVs

[N-L-M]

Footage from the IDF 'women in tanks' trial. Low energy and sad.

[VPZ]

 

Spoiler

 

 

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=iw&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.israeldefense.co.il%2Fhe%2Fnode%2F41914

[N-L-M]

Late 2021 IOC seems a lot more reasonable than earlier claims we've heard, great news.

I can only hope they get them in large numbers, to get rid of the huge quantities of M113s the IDF still operates.

[LoooSeR]

   Eitan on some show

 

Spoiler

 

[VPZ]

 

[LoooSeR]

   Bunch of photos of Akhzarit HAPC from here (link stolen from otvaga)

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Jim Warford]

This is a very interesting pic...one of these two captured Megach 3s (shown in Syria in 1982 with Russian advisors), is very likely the "key" tank that was captured by the Syrians and paraded through Damascus. It became the focus of Israeli POW/MIA organizations since the missing Israeli crew was unaccounted for. There were even rumors (which the Russian government has strongly denied), that crew remains and personal belongings were still on-board when the Syrian government provided the tank to the Russia. The tank was on display at Kubinka for many years until June 2016 when it was finally exchanged for a different less meaningful Megach 3 after an official ceremony at Kubinka. A link to the video of the ceremony is included below: 

 

 

 

 

[FORMATOSE]

Regarding the presence of composite armor in the hull of the Mk. 3 (the production Block is not specified) :

 

 

On 4/3/2018 at 6:40 PM, Serge said:

The first Merkava generation hull (Siman 2) was designed with batteries and CBRN filters compartment at the rear. Both compartments were integrated into the hull.

 

On 4/3/2018 at 6:40 PM, Serge said:

There were fuel tanks into the rear sponsons. 

 

And also inside the double bottom.

 

On 4/3/2018 at 6:40 PM, Serge said:

With the Siman 3, a main change occurred. The crew compartment was more designed as a survival cell. So, fuel tanks were moved at the rear under separated armored boxes. Some sources explaine that the rear fuel tanks are not only self sealing, they can be ejected under certain conditions to avoid fire propagation.

 

According to Marc Chassillan, the two fuel tanks at the back of the Merkava Mk. 3 can be purged through dump valves.

 

On 4/4/2018 at 7:35 AM, Stierlitz.Dango said:

huh,the "Merkava 3" here isn't indeed the actual Merkava 3

 

 

 

 

In real life, there are only 4 rounds (in their fireproof canisters) between the turret basket and the engine bulkhead.

 

The number of rounds carried in the aft compartment is also incorrect :

 

 

[Serge]

 

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And also inside the double bottom.

With the first batches, yes. But it was found dangerous. The fuel transmit the shock wave. So, the bottom was emptied.  

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According to Marc Chassillan, the two fuel tanks at the back of the Merkava Mk. 3 can be purged through dump valves.

 

I know there is a self sealing vave but I didn’t know this detail. 

[Wiedzmin]

[Karamazov]

13 hours ago, Wiedzmin said:

Was the armor pierced?

[Marsh]

As far as I know, no. I seem to remember this was used as part of the marketing campaign for Blazer ERA, relativity primitive as it was.

[Karamazov]

23 minutes ago, Marsh said:

As far as I know, no. I seem to remember this was used as part of the marketing campaign for Blazer ERA, relativity primitive as it was.

thank you

[Wiedzmin]

 

Merkava 1/2 right hull side ?

 

 

and turret

 

 

M111 demostration and T-72 "model" in left corner ? plates look like 150+150+50, but 350/0 for M111 is possible only point blank, not from 1700 meters

 

 

M413 demo ? 350/0 from 2100 meters, and T-72 from 3100 ? 

 

[Kal]

32 years ago? (1987)

[Serge]

19 hours ago, Wiedzmin said:

 

Merkava 1/2 right hull side ?

Mk-3

 

[Wiedzmin]

1 hour ago, Serge said:

Mk-3

 

 

any difference from 1-2 ?

 

 

Mk1 turret

 

 

 

Mk3 prototype tested against Sagger, HOT and PG7V  ?

 

[N-L-M]

On 4/2/2020 at 2:17 PM, Serge said:

Mk-3

No, definitely a 1 or 2.

The merkava 3, 4, and Namer have individual swing arms, the mounts for which are these large bases built into the hull side. The lack of such mounts means it must be a Merk 1 or 2, where the arms are attached to the bogies which are mounted to the hull.

This is a Namer hull, but the idea is the same. There are a few pics of merkava 3s with the swing arm ripped off where you can see it more clearly but my Google fu is weak.

In the pic posted earlier there's no sign of these swing arm hub bases.

[Wiedzmin]

[HAKI2019]

MK3 be hit？I guess MK3 and MK4 use different type of armor.

[Wiedzmin]

2 hours ago, HAKI2019 said:

MK3 be hit？I guess MK3 and MK4 use different type of armor.

 

 

 

[Wiedzmin]

 

btw why these Mk.3's have different addon armour ?

[Marsh]

Hi Wiedzmin,

 

Both the Merk 3 and Merk 4 have rolling programmes to upgrade armour packages. A process assisted by the modular nature of the armour. The Israelis have the technical and scientific capability  to frequently improve and match the armour to current threats. However, their financial and industrial capacity to introduce upgrades, on a large scale, is relatively limited.  In the case of the Merkava improvements are introduced regularly, but on small batches at a time. Thus even in a battalion of Merkavas, there can be tanks with upgraded modular armour of different generations.

Cheers

Marsh

[Wiedzmin]

2 hours ago, Marsh said:

 

Hi, ok thank you, but Mk3 hull 

 

 

 

there is "sharp" one look like welded from plates, and "smooth" one look like Mk.2 casting, or part of Mk.3 was builded on Mk.2 hulls ?

[N-L-M]

1 hour ago, Wiedzmin said:

or part of Mk.3 was builded on Mk.2 hulls ?

Simply not possible, the whole rear section of the hull is different, as are the hull sides.

By the look of things, at some point in Merk 3 production they switched from the rounded, presumably cast hull nose to the sharp, presumably welded one.

I don't recall seeing any pictures of Ramaqh Mk3 with a sharp hull but there are Baz Mk3s with either.