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3 hours ago, Lord_James said:

The guns not shortened either? That L55 is gonna be a pain in a real street fight. 

 

That'd be a whole new level of effort - you'd need to design the shortened gun, test it, work out ballistic data for all natures of ammunition, and reprogram the FCS.

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1 hour ago, LoooSeR said:

 That "Streetfighter" is rather sad, no side armor, no equipment to go through baricades/ruins, MG positions have no protection. Even crappy T-72B urban kit is somewhat better in that regards.

It's British, they'll just use teabags as side armour.

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1 hour ago, LoooSeR said:

   That "Streetfighter" is rather sad, no side armor, no equipment to go through baricades/ruins, MG positions have no protection. Even crappy T-72B urban kit is somewhat better in that regards.

"Streetfighter" has everything he needs to work in town. Everything else is already on this tank. Tanks_Challenger_2_Camouflage_British_52

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17 hours ago, LoooSeR said:

   That "Streetfighter" is rather sad, no side armor, no equipment to go through baricades/ruins, MG positions have no protection. Even crappy T-72B urban kit is somewhat better in that regards.


It's just a demonstrator created by Ultra Electronics, mainly to test their UltraLynx system.
https://www.ultra-electronics.com/uploads/business-documents/media-brochures/Ultra_Land_Bro_A4_Nov_17_Spreads.pdf
RTR's Ajax Squadron are experimenting in Urban Tank combat:
https://www.facebook.com/RoyalTankRegt/posts/urban-tanks-ajax-have-just-taken-delivery-of-their-latest-tanks-these-have-been-/697637010435834/

It is by no means a finished article.

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20 hours ago, LoooSeR said:

   That "Streetfighter" is rather sad, no side armor, no equipment to go through baricades/ruins, MG positions have no protection. Even crappy T-72B urban kit is somewhat better in that regards.

 

I thought that at first too, but I came to the conclusion that they just didn’t mount the heavy armor around the tank. The British aren’t that stupid... I hope. 

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2 hours ago, Lord_James said:

 

I thought that at first too, but I came to the conclusion that they just didn’t mount the heavy armor around the tank. The British aren’t that stupid... I hope. 

   Still, MG positions are unprotected and vehicle isn't better suited for actual urban combat (lack of gear/tools to go through barricades, ruins, etc) than normal Chally 2. More like "anti-insurgency operations in villages" kit.

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Will you horrible lot please stop mocking our magnificent, if archaic, tanks. I will have you know that British tanks have boiling vessels on board.  Our crews can make tea whenever they like! I bet the T-14 doesn't carry a samovar, so no mocking until it does!  :)

 

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https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/british-army-demos-new-challenger-2-urban-operatio/

 

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The British Army’s Royal Tank Regiment (RTR) has developed a new Challenger 2 MBT demonstrator to highlight modifications that could be made to the platform for urban operations.

The RTR will be demonstrating the vehicle during the Army Warfighting Experiment held in December 2018.

Speaking to Shephard, 2nd Lt Nicholas Warren-Miller, 3 Tp Ldr RTR, said that the team has worked over the past two months to add ‘low-level...low-cost modifications that can be done very quickly’ on the tank.

One of the key areas of modification was to enhance situational awareness in urban environments which Warren-Miller said was particularly limited in the Challenger 2 during urban operations when in close-down and inside the tank.

Infantry-tank cooperation is another key area of focus for the RTR, which will make the Challenger 2 'more effective' in the urban environment, according to Warren-Miller.

‘We’ve essentially increased the firepower of the tank and we have created a local area network into the tank which streams camera feeds. So in theory the infantry can use an Android tablet or phone and actually view what we are seeing and what our cameras are seeing,’ Warren-Miller explained.

This has been achieved through the use of fixed cameras and panoramic 360˚ thermal imagers, barrel cameras to see left and right at junctions without exposing the platform and camera feeds streamed to dismounted soldier systems.

The RTR has worked with an industry team, led by Ultra Precision Control System (PCS), to carry out the improvements. Warren-Miller emphasised that this project has been completed completely outside of the Challenger 2 Life Extension Programme which is currently being competed between BAE Systems and Rheinmetall.

‘It comes from the Hobart committee…when everyone in the regiment gets to make recommendations for Challenger 2. And we’ve been given as a squadron the urban environment to adapt our vehicle to,’ Warren-Miller explained.

Through the Hobart committee the team has been given funding to carry out the work. Ultra PCS lead a team that includes FN Herstal UK, Mildef, Esterline, Istec and Ultra Lynx.

Other modifications include external storage for breaching tools and dismounted equipment; turret mounted mortar; commanders GPMG and loaders HMG.

Warren-Miller suggested that this will be an ongoing project as the RTR has more ideas for long-lasting modifications. For now though these technologies will only be demonstrated on the one experimental platform.

 

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Not a fan of this Challenger 2 "urbanization", but that is probably related to the fact that it probably was created with very tight budget and mostly for showcasing the solutions of the British industry offered to the UK MoD.

 

Streaming video feeds to infantry is a nice capability, is this new for the British army? It has been around in different other militaries. Also the videos are meant to be displayed on "Android tablets and smartphones" according to Shephard Media, which sounds like a pretty bad solution given that those likely aren't hardened for electronic warfare or for operations in harsh conditions. Doesn't the British army have any system similar to IDZ-ES or GLADIUS 2? That the rear monitor runs Windows 7 isn't optimal too, but I guess that is a result of the vehicle serving as a demonstrator and probably would be fixed on any real application.

 

The mortar is an odd choice, but there obviously is no space in the turret. I think an add-on system mounted on the rear of the hull might be a better option, but that would be more expensive. I'm thiinking of something similar to the Puma's TSWA, but as detachable component that is only attached for urban operations.

 

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The hull mounted cameras also seem to have a very limited FOV. There are none at the rear.

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