Israeli AFVs

[Wiedzmin]

1 hour ago, Marsh said:

Hi,

Hi! yes i read that some time ago, not sure about "targeting some areas of tank" with ATGM but driver area obvious weakspot yeah.

 

 

Mk4 reactive armor test

 

[Wiedzmin]

[Kal]

first photo, that really reminds me of conveyor belts

 

second photo,  interesting difference between underside of turret front armour to turret side armour, never noticed that before.

[Serge]

New Eitan with 105mm turret

[N-L-M]

The Eitan was already said to weigh in at around 35-40 tons, and a big boy turret likely weighs in at 7 to 10 tons at a minimum. Given practical limitations on weight for an 8x8 being around 40 tons, makes me wonder what must have been removed to allow this thing to go forwards.

 

And in any case the CG must be extremely high, and the risk of rollover commensurately so.

 

Another great example as to why friends don't let friends make tanks on APC hulls.

[Lord_James]

8 hours ago, N-L-M said:

The Eitan was already said to weigh in at around 35-40 tons, and a big boy turret likely weighs in at 7 to 10 tons at a minimum. Given practical limitations on weight for an 8x8 being around 40 tons, makes me wonder what must have been removed to allow this thing to go forwards.

 

And in any case the CG must be extremely high, and the risk of rollover commensurately so.

 

Another great example as to why friends don't let friends make tanks on APC hulls.

*angry M1128 noises* 

 

Joke aside, her turret is relatively lightweight compared to most other things on the market, but that does beg the question as to why no one else is even trying to use a lighter turret on their wheeled death traps. 

[Serge]

Or, why no one else developed a low profile chassis for such turrets ?

[MRose]

 

[N-L-M]

Look at that barrel wobble, that's a mockup.

[N-L-M]

7 hours ago, Serge said:

Or, why no one else developed a low profile chassis for such turrets ?

The Centauro and Type 16 MCV are lower profile wheeled gun carriers.

Even then there are practical limits, but both look substantially less godawful than this.

[MRose]

17 hours ago, N-L-M said:

Look at that barrel wobble, that's a mockup.

For the Brazilian tank program.

[Kal]

Norinco ZTL-11 is also 105mm 8x8 wheeled armour vehicle.

Its easy to see a role for this in places that lack the money to spend on first world logistics.  Compared to truck mounted 122mm Semser http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4242.html , its easy to see benefits to multitask as a IFV as well as direct fire artillery.

 

[Newtonk]

20 hours ago, N-L-M said:

Look at that barrel wobble, that's a mockup.

At low speed, too. 

[LoooSeR]

Magach 3 in Kubinka

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ZloyKrolik]

Any pics of the M60A1 next to it? I wonder where they got that from?

[Scolopax]

1 hour ago, ZloyKrolik said:

Any pics of the M60A1 next to it? I wonder where they got that from?

I imagine from either Egypt or Iran in some purchase.

[watch_your_fire]

Size comparison between the Merkava and Abrams (and their crews). Definitely shows how tall the Merkava is, the Abrams is by no means small.

[LoooSeR]

Merk is noticeably closer to camera, so this is not totally representative of their size difference.

[Wiedzmin]

[alanch90]

1 hour ago, Wiedzmin said:

Apart from a frontal visual of the mantlet without the armor modules, what are we looking at?

[Serge]

 

[Clan_Ghost_Bear]

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/israel-plans-first-sale-merkava-tank-european-country-2023-06-15/

Two countries, one of which is European, are reportedly buying surplus Merkavas

[Alzoc]

1 hour ago, Clan_Ghost_Bear said:

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/israel-plans-first-sale-merkava-tank-european-country-2023-06-15/

Two countries, one of which is European, are reportedly buying surplus Merkavas

 

My bet is on Poland xD

It's not like they'll have enough model in service between the T-72, Leopard 2, M1 and K2 ... (Moooar diversity :p)

 

More seriously maybe Bulgaria, Czech Rep or Slovenia. Those 3 country had a very small and outdated tank inventory to begin with and they transferred a significant portion of it to Ukraine. So if they can acquire surplus Merkava that are available quickly and relatively cheaply they would go for it.

 

Edit :  Or maybe those tanks are directly meant for Ukraine as they need as much NATO-compatible hardware as they can as quickly as possible.

[Marsh]

Merkava 2s to Greece to replace Leopard 1s. A smaller number of Merk 3s to Cyprus in exchange for their  T-80s. A wild guess, some Merks perhaps to Morocco to replace some of their T-72s? The Leopard 1s,  T-80s or T-72s eventually to Ukraine.

 

Heaven help whoever gets the Merk 2s, with the possible exception of the Merk 2Ds, they are junk by now. Even in the case of the Merk2 Ds, the powerpack can barely cope with the increased weight of the armour.

[N-L-M]

There were never a lot of the 2Ds, so unless whoever is buying them is also paying for a substantial upgrade and refresh, the majority will inevitably be outdated. Though in the current year, with Leo 1s being a hot commodity and even ancient T-55s seeing combat, there are more objectionable secondhand tanks than Merk 2s.

And as always with secondhand toys, the *price* will be a driving consideration. 

Merk 3s are a very good tank compared to the secondhand market, and are likely very attractive.